Anil Kumar's Sunday Satsang at
February 29, 2004
The Sunday Talk Given by Anil Kumar
“Beware of Barriers”
February 29th, 2004
OM… OM… OM…
With Pranams at the Lotus Feet of Bhagavan,
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Knowledge is a barrier in spirituality
We started our session ten minutes
late, for reasons best known to you. I have been thinking about
what I should talk about this morning. I selected the topic,
“Beware of Barriers.” I certainly hope that you will find
something useful, profitable and meaningful, and that you will
benefit from listening.
What is the first barrier in spirituality? The first barrier in
spirituality is knowledge. This may be a shock to many people. It
may not be acceptable to many others, and it may sound meaningless
to the rest. But it is the fact of facts. Knowledge is the first
Let us beware of this barrier of knowledge. Why? Knowledge is a
thing that you gather or collect from books written by somebody
else. It comes from their past. It cannot be your experience. It
cannot be your own understanding. It cannot be your own
creativity. It is only second-hand information. I am not
overstating this. It is a barrier.
That is the reason why many of these scholars are not necessarily
eminent devotees. Many of them are very good in their scholarship.
They are very good in their interpretation. But as devotees, they
may not be that good because their knowledge is a barrier.
Why? A man of knowledge feels that he knows everything. Once I
start feeling that I know, I stop growing. There is no hope of
growth. Knowledge gives the false feeling of having known that
which is not known. After all, what he knows are some facts and
figures; or a few quotations and verses which he could understand
to repeat and quote, and at the conclusion be applauded. That
shows a scholar or a well-read man!
Life is not for reading. For spirituality, reading is a barrier.
Knowledge is certainly not the path towards realisation.
Many times Baba has said, “The table with many bottles, tablets,
capsules, or syringes on it, proclaims that the master of the
house has been a successful patient for a long period.”
He has many capsules and tablets. Likewise, if my office table is
full of books, it only means I am a patient who immediately needs
a cure through worldly experiences. Experience is the cure for the
disease of ignorance, not knowledge. What do these people of
knowledge do? What do they have? At their fingertips, they have
insignificant and nonsensical details, which are irrelevant and
Baba gave one example: One fellow went to a mango garden. There he
saw mango fruits, which were quite ripe. This fellow called the
gardener and asked him, “What is the plinth area of this mango
The gardener answered him, and the man replied, “Oh, I see.”
Then he asked, ““How many trees are here?”
Again the gardener answered and the man replied, “Oho!
Then he asked, “How much fruit does each tree bear?” “How long
does it take for the fruit to ripen?” “How much money do you make?
The rebate, the commission, the wholesale, the large scale?”
He continued discussing the method of manuring, the process of
cultivation, the number of trees and the number of fruits, but he
did not eat the fruit. Whereas, a young boy came along, jumped up,
plucked the fruit and ate it. Now who is the wise man?
The one who eats the mango fruit is more practical. He has had
more of an experience than the fellow collecting data about the
mango garden. Yet, that is what the scholar does; that is what a
man of letters does. It is a foolish verbal literary gimmick,
which does not quench the appetite at all.
Therefore, the first barrier to spirituality is knowledge. This
fact that knowledge is a barrier comes from Bhagavan’s discourses,
and from the teachers of all times. It is not my own concoction.
People who differ with me on this should pardon me, because these
are not my ideas. If you are capable of pardoning Sri Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa, then that is what you should do. It is what they all
Another point: Due to knowledge taken from a book, most people
say, “I know.”
Suppose someone says, “Sir, this is what Swami said; so I know.”
We should tell him, “You do not know that you do not know.”
When can you say, “I know”? You can say, “I know” only when you
have experienced the truth of it, when you have experienced the
validity of it, when you have had the experience in your daily
life. You cannot simply say, “I know” because you have read a book
Baba has said, “Repeatedly, I speak about Love, Devotion, Prema
and Bhakti. Because I always speak about Love, some people say,
‘Swami, don’t You get bored speaking about Love? It must be
boring, really, the many millions of times You speak of it.’”
Swami said, “I will repeat it again and again until you start
You need to be taught about Love until you can Love. Similarly we
should never say, “I know,” until we experience what we say we
The fact that we say, “I know” is only verbal, textual, and
academic, with no relevance in daily life. This is the point, my
friends. If you say, “I know this; I know that; I know you,” who
are you? Are you the known? No! Are you the process for knowing?
No! Who are you? The knower! Am I clear? You are the knower! I
know! Who is this ‘I‘, the one who knows? Therefore, if you say,
“I know,” it means you do not know because you are the knower. The
one who knows is God.
So all the knowledge, all the books that we gather, all that we
say, all that we share in conversation, that is the real knower,
and that knower is God Himself. Therefore, when the knower tries
to know everything, what is it that the knower does not know? If
we say knowledge is known by the knower, then he is more than the
known. You understand!
I am more than the pen I hold. I do not think that my pen is
greater than I am, unless I am from a lunatic asylum. Right! I am
more than the pen. Similarly, the knower is more than the known.
So, all that is known is knowledge. The one who knows, the knower,
is more than the knowledge. Therefore, this knowledge is inferior
to the knower. Knowledge will not help you.
The second thing: Suppose I say, “I have seen this; I have seen
you.” Who are you? Are you the seen? Yes. You are the seen; I am
seeing you. The mike is the seen; I am seeing it. The pen is the
seen; I am seeing it.
Then who am I? I am the seer. If we accept that the seer is
greater than the seen, then all that is seen is inferior, when
compared to the seer, and all that is known is inferior when
compared to the knower.
Therefore my friends, knowledge does not speak of the knower.
Knowledge does not speak of the seer. Knowledge refers only to the
known and the seen. That’s all! The knower cannot be known. The
seer cannot be seen. I am not playing with words, my friends. I am
not yet capable of literary gimmicks.
You may be thinking that it is impossible, that I cannot see.
Well, see your back if you can. Can you see your back? Try! If you
turn again and again, the head will remain like that for sometime.
It won’t come back to normal. (Laughter) Can you see your ear? The
ear and eye are near, but they do not see each other. Similarly,
you are the seer, whom you cannot see. You are the knower, whom
you cannot know. So, that which is not known is the knower. That
which cannot be seen is the seer. Knowledge cannot help you.
So the first barrier, the first obstacle, the first bottleneck in
the field of spiritual comprehension is knowledge. Those that
boast of knowledge deserve sympathy and pity, because knowledge is
a poor instrument with which to know and experience God.
Baba goes one step further. Baba is Ultimate Reality. All teachers
and seers stop at one level, but Baba goes one step beyond. He is
the latest God, you know? He will not stop you at the previous
century. He will take you to the present century.
Unless you empty your head, you cannot experience God. Empty your
head! The head is full of nonsense. The head is full of matter
only to spew out and repeat. Therefore, empty your head. If the
head has information, this will prejudice you; it will make you
biased and partial. You cannot be open to experience. Therefore,
empty your head. That is what Bhagavan said. When your head is
empty, the flower of enlightenment can bloom. When the
manifestation of Divinity starts blossoming, the flower of the
Self starts opening.
FEAR OF GOD IS a BARRIER in spirituality
The second obstacle is fear of God.
Ask anybody, “Why do you go to a temple?”
“I go to the temple so that I may not have difficulties in life.”
“Why do you go for darshan?”
“If I don’t go for darshan this evening, Swami may not look at
“Why do you go for darshan?”
“If I don’t go, I may be asked to leave the ashram. So I go.” I
Most of my friends are God-fearing people. Some people say, “Mr.
Anil Kumar, you know I am a God-fearing man.”
God-fearing is a disqualification. Please understand that. You
should fear a snake, a tiger, a lion or a dangerous fellow. Don’t
fear God! God-fearing is a disqualification. We should be
God-loving and not God-fearing. I think I am clear. Let us be
God-loving people, not God-fearing people.
Why? Love knows no fear. Trust knows no fear. Where there is fear,
there is no Love. The child has no fear because the child is by
the side of its mother. The child loves the mother, so there is no
Yet, we are saying, “Mata Pita Daivamu Mari Antayu Neeve: ‘You are
my Father, You are my Mother, You are my Guru’… but I am afraid of
You!” It is nonsense! So let us be God-loving people and not
Then this is the wonder. What in this world should we be afraid
of? One may be a millionaire or a pauper; he may be literate or
illiterate. But there is one common fear - the fear of death. No
one says, “I love death.” I have yet to come across such a person.
If I do, I will give him the address of a good psychiatrist.
Everyone is afraid of death, please take it from me. If there is
someone who says, “I am not afraid of death,” he is more afraid of
death than anybody else. It is only talk, that’s all.
Some people say, “I don’t care about money.” He has twenty-five
lakhs in his bank account, so of course, he doesn’t care.
(Laughter) Nonsense! We are tired of such people. Let us state
only facts. The fact is that we are all afraid of death.
So if you fear God, it is meaningless. Why? God is life. Are you
afraid of your life? No! You are afraid of death, not life. So
when you love God, God is life. That is the correct spiritual
path. We have fear of death. Actually speaking, what is it that
Somebody asked Ramana Maharishi, “Bhagavan, is your life coming to
an end? Are you going to die?”
He said, “I was never born.”
“Oh! I see. This fellow must be quite mad.”
“I was never born.” So, how can the question of dying concern the
fellow who had no birth; there’ll be no death at all! That’s what
Ramana Maharishi said.
Now let us think together. There is no birth; there is no death.
Then what is death? What is birth? Why two words when there is no
phenomenon like that?
Birth is the appearance of the body. Death is the disappearance of
the body. That’s all! There is no birth at all. There is no death
either. So what is it now? We are just a water pipe, a tunnel, a
canal or a channel. The water starts at that end through the
channel. The water goes out through the other end of the channel.
So the body is just like that. Life passes through this tunnel,
So life has no beginning; life has no end. It is only the body
that has a beginning, and naturally, it has an end. So my friends,
we should be afraid of death. We should fear death, not God.
EGO IS a BARRIER in spirituality
What is death actually? Death is
nothing but the death of the ego. We call it death in the ordinary
sense. Why? It is the so-called ‘I’: “I am that. I am this.” This
death is nothing but the death of the ego. Man dies as an ego; man
never dies in relation to life. In relation to the ego, there is
death. Egolessness is deathlessness. Egolessness is immortality.
Death means the death of the ego.
Then we should welcome death. We should not be afraid of the death
of ego. That is why Baba always quotes Jesus Christ, who declared
on the cross: “Death is the dress of life.”
Death is the dress of life! When I go and change my dress, do I
cry? No! Do you cry? You may cry because my dress is better than
your dress; it is better than yesterday’s dress; perhaps I look
more handsome in this dress. So when one changes the dress, it
should not be the cause for misery. Therefore my friends, the
death of the ego is a celebration. The death of the ego is a
festival, because the ego is the worst barrier in the field of
spirituality. It is an obstacle. Therefore, we should welcome
death in relation to the ego.
Why? Baba always says, “You are the Truth. Truth has no end. Truth
has no beginning. Truth is eternal. You are part of the Truth -
Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma.”
Satyam - Truth, Jnanam - Wisdom, Anantam - Infinite, Brahma. You
are Truth; you are Infinite; you are Wisdom. Wisdom is deathless.
Infinity is deathless. Truth is deathless. You are the Truth. You
are deathless. That is why the Holy Bible says, “You shall know
the Truth and the Truth shall set you free.” Once you know the
Truth, you are set free from the death of ego.
Asatoma Sat Gamaya - From untruth to Truth! Untruth is the death
of the ego. The Truth is eternal and immortal. So once you are
part of the Truth, there is no question of death at all. My
friends, the third barrier stopping enlightenment is the barrier
of ego. Therefore, to experience God, we should see that the ego
dies as early as possible.
Tamasoma Jyotir Gamaya - There lies the light of wisdom. Tamas is
the darkness. Jyoti is the light. With light, darkness is
dispelled. Darkness is death. The light is Truth, Bliss, Peace.
The light is eternal.
Therefore my friends, we are birthless, deathless and eternal; we
are Truth itself. We celebrate birthdays because, having enough
money, we want to have a social function. We enjoy it for a while,
happily arranging it. “Happy Birthday!” But actually you were
never born. It is only the body that appeared. That’s all! You
existed even before the existence of this body.
Baba gives this beautiful example: There is electricity
everywhere. But when it is inside the electric light bulb, it
sheds light. OK! When the bulb is removed, the electricity is
still there, is that not so? So, electricity is ever-present. When
the bulb is fixed, you get illumination. When the bulb is removed,
you don’t get illumination. With the bulb or without the bulb,
electricity exists. You are Divine energy. You are Cosmic energy.
You are the eternal Truth. The bulb is the body. That’s all! This
is what Baba said.
Somebody asked Swami, “What will happen after death?”
Swami said, “Nothing will happen!”
After death, nothing will happen. Others may find that the world
becomes a better place in which to live, because we have been a
nuisance up to our departure! (Laughter) Now at least others can
be happy. Those who are rich enough will celebrate, dividing our
So my friends, there is no birth at all. Just as electricity
exists, so does energy! Energy exists everywhere. But energy is
transformed into different forms. Sometimes the energy becomes
matter. The latest quantum theory physics says that there is no
matter. Ha! Yes! There is no matter at all. All that we see is
only energy. But we cannot say, “Sir, bring the energy and put it
in front of me so that I can speak.” No, it is not like that.
Because of its practical purpose, we call this a mike. But in
reality, it is energy. The latest physics, quantum mechanics, also
says there is only energy. There is no matter.
Therefore my friends, the only One that exists is Cosmic energy,
Divine energy, Sat (Truth), that is existence. Sat not only means
Truth; Sat also means existence. So I am ever existent! I never
appeared, nor have I disappeared. That is the point that I wanted
to tell you.
Seeking GOD is a BARRIER in spirituality
The fourth barrier is this: Some
people say, “After coming to Swami, I found God.” Oho! Very good.
Other people say, “I am in search of God.” Both are wrong!
I always tell my friends on different platforms, on many occasions
everywhere, that the greatest gift that Bhagavan has given us is
the gift of wisdom, the practical Vedanta (Indian spiritual
knowledge). We can receive this because of Bhagavan. All the other
things that Bhagavan does is only to ultimately give us this.
When the child refuses to eat, the mother tells it stories. The
child listens to the story, but still does not eat. The mother
starts a second story, and the child eats a little. She starts the
third story, and a little more is eaten. The mother goes on
singing and telling stories, although she is very tired with the
willful child. However, love is the only thing that makes the
So, Swami may give us interviews. Swami may give us rings,
watches, lockets, sweets, darshan (the public appearance of
Swami), sambhashan (speaking to Swami). All these are stories to
make all the children eat the food of spirituality.
Bagavan’s food is spirituality, but we don’t want spirituality. We
want our problems solved: the daughter to get married; the son to
get his visa; to a get promotion, to get the backache and joint
pain to go, the blood pressure to come down or, at the age of
seventy, to run like a young man. Oh! Yes! OK! So that’s why I am
here in Puttaparthi.
It is foolish! And Swami plays on this foolishness. The more
egoistic we are, the more we become wonderful puppets for Him to
play with. The more fools we are, the more He will make us greater
fools. Why? Until we come out of this foolishness, until we come
out of His play.
Therefore, just as a mother goes on singing and narrating stories
to make the child eat a morsel of food, Baba also arranges
functions, discourses and cultural programmes with so much care.
The Divine Mother is more merciful and more compassionate, so that
we may eat a little morsel of the food of spirituality.
If you say, “I want to know God,” this is what Baba says: “If you
say, ‘I want money’, you can get it by working for it. If you want
position, you can get it by struggling for it. If you want to be
influential, yes, you can be. You can desire anything in this
world, but you attain God by non-desiring.”
You should not desire God! I am afraid some of you may now get up
and leave this auditorium! Here is a man who says non-desiring is
the way to God. Don’t misunderstand me. I am not mad yet!
Let us understand this word, ‘desire’. I desire money, because I
don’t have money. OK? I desire a position, because I don’t have a
position. I want to be a man of influence, because no one says
‘Sai Ram’ to me. Because nobody looks at me, I feel neglected and
the ego is affected. Therefore, I want to be influential, to sit
on the veranda, to be a VIP. OK! So you can desire what you do not
have. But you cannot desire God because He is already in you. God
is already in you! You are eating, you are talking, you are
walking, and you are thinking because of God. You are alive! That
life is God; that aliveness is God. Then, why do you desire God!
Suppose I say, “I want a pen.”
Somebody will say, “Is there anything wrong with you, Mr. Anil
Kumar? We saw you this morning at darshan. You were quite normal.
We never thought one could become so mad, all of a sudden. Why do
you ask for a pen when you have two pens in your pocket?” It
Similarly, to desire God, when God is in you, is total
foolishness. Therefore, my friends, non-desiring is a
qualification to find God. Desiring is necessary for worldly
things. Non-desiring is the true spiritual path.
Some say, “I am in search of God.” This word is wrong.
I can say, “I am in search of my friend, Mr. Ramanaih.” I can say,
“I am in search of my friend, Mr. Narayan Rao.” Because they are
my friends, I am searching for them. They may be in the canteen,
at the railway station or somewhere else; so I am in search of
But to say, “I am in search of God” is foolishness. Why? God is
everywhere! Where will you search for Him? He is inside, outside,
above you, below you and around you.
That is what Baba says:
Anatar Bahisch Tat Sarvam
Vyapya Narayanaha Stitaha.
Anatar Bahisch Tat Sarvam. He is inside and outside - everywhere!
What is the fun of’ searching?
If anyone is walking along and says, “I am in search of sunlight,”
what do we do? We avoid such a fellow because he may bite us
Someone may say, “I am in search of wind.”
“Oho! Please keep searching, but leave me alone.”
You can search for any worldly thing, but God is found by
‘not-searching’. You can find God by ‘not-desiring’.
“Sir, I seek an interview with the District Collector.“ ”I seek an
appointment with you.” “I seek your permission.” Seeking is a
process seen in the world. We don’t have to seek God.
People say, “Knock, it shall be opened. Seek, you shall find.” You
don’t need to seek. You only have to seek that which you have not
seen. You have to seek that which is not near you. When God is in
you, what are you seeking?
So, to find God, you should be non-seeking. To find God, you
should be non-desiring. To find God, you should be non-searching.
I think I am clear.
These statements may look challenging, but they are positive
truths. They are the truths of truths. God is in you.
For example, the heartbeat: Am I responsible for the heart
beating? I have never said, “Oh, dear heart, please beat.”
While I wait for this to happen, others could start beating me!
(Laughter) We cannot make our heart beat. The heart-beat is a
natural process. Of course, the sweetheart is different. I am not
referring to the sweetheart. (Laughter)
For the heartbeat, God is responsible. For the blood circulation,
God is responsible. For the lungs to work, God is responsible. For
you to sleep, God is responsible. When God does not help you
sleep, you lie awake all night, and make others get up as you
don’t want to see them sleeping when you cannot sleep! (Laughter)
Your appetite is because of God; your sleep is because of God;
your life is because of God.
Smiles and laughter are because of God. A fellow who cannot smile,
well, you can say that his face has no God in him. As a result,
the face is lifeless. To quote Baba, “Castor oil faces - no
smiles, full of wrinkles, stretched elastic, rubber-like faces.”
Chi! Such faces say, “There is no God on my face!” Thank you. It
is obvious and self-evident. Therefore my friends, God is there.
This body is functional. When this Divinity is withdrawn, the body
is paralysed. You cannot control the body. So that vitality, that
dynamism, that spirit, that life is God.
Jeevam Eva Sada Sivam
Sivam Eda Sada Jeevam.
“God is life. Life is God.” That is what Bhagavan says.
Therefore, you can find God by non-seeking, by non-desiring and by
non-searching. We must remember these three concepts. God is so
great that He has given Himself to us. To say that I have not seen
God is really an insult.
Your mother cooks for you; your mother helps you. If you say to
your mother, “So far, I have not made your acquaintance,” the
mother will cry for having given birth to such a worthless child.
Unfortunately, the number of such people is increasing day-by-day.
Therefore my friends, when life is in you as the bubbling
dynamism, digestion, ingestion and assimilation, there is no sense
in saying, “I don’t know God.” As time revolves, God is expressing
Himself. You might as well say, “I don’t find electricity. I can’t
find it anywhere.“ What! Then there is something wrong with me.
So, God is seen in the opening of a flower. God is seen in the
happy smile on a happy face. God is seen in a blossoming flower.
God is seen in the running rivers. God is seen in the floating
clouds. God is seen in the sunrise and sunset. God is unseen,
making us see the scenes around.
This is the point that we should always keep in mind. The barrier
is the search for God. The obstacle is to seek Him. Bhagavan says
because you are God, it is ignorance to attempt to find and desire
RELIGION IS A BARRIER IN SPIRITUALITY
The next barrier -- do not get
disturbed, my friends! Religion is a barrier. I am not an atheist.
I am not a naxalite. I am not a terrorist. I am not a reactionary.
I am not a man of violence. Religion is a barrier.
We have gathered at the Feet of Baba, who does not speak of any
religion. What is the religion of Baba? Here, there is no
If anyone says that Baba speaks of Hinduism, that fellow has not
understood His teachings. Baba does not speak of any religion,
because religion is a barrier. Why? Every religion tells you the
way to God: “This is the way.” “That is the way.”
Christians say, “Christ is the goal. Christianity is the way.”
Muslims say, “Allah is the goal. Islam is the way.”
Buddhists say, “Buddha is the goal. Buddhism is the way.”
So every religion speaks of two things – the goal and the way.
Both of these are nonsense. Why? God is not a goal. I repeat: God
is not a goal!
Why? It is simple. At the end of this talk, our goal is the
foreigners’ canteen (Laughter), or the North Indian canteen (to
eat). What is the way? You climb down the steps and go there.
Right! The way is clear. The goal is clear. The time is not yet,
So, when there is a goal and a way, there are two points - one is
the time; the other is the distance.
“Sir, how far is the foreigners’ canteen?”
“Oh! Three hundred yards.” The distance!
“Sir, how long will it take me to get to the foreigners’ canteen?”
“Five minutes.” Oh! I see, the time.
“Sir, where is the North Indian canteen?”
“How long will it take?”
“It is just a yard -- about two minutes.”
Whether it is here or there, every goal has a time and a distance.
When God is inside me, when I am God, what is the distance? There
is no question of distance at all. How much time will it take? To
know that I am Anil Kumar, how long will it take? If it takes a
very long time, I think it’s time for me to say goodbye to earth!
I am Anil Kumar. I don’t need to take time to know that I am Anil
Kumar. How far do I have to go to know that I am Anil Kumar? No!
No! No! I am!
Similarly, when you are God, you don’t need to go any distance and
you don’t need time to know. There is no way to reach the goal
because time and distance do not exist. I think I am clear. God is
not the goal!
Some people ask, “What is the goal of your life?”
You reply, “God!”
Hopeless. You do not understand. God cannot be your goal. Now, who
are you? Are you a dog? If you are a dog, it may take some time to
reach God. When you are God, why is there any question of going?
Therefore, distance and time do not enter into it because God is
never a goal, and there is no way to find Him.
What is Baba doing here? In May, Buddhists come from all over the
world to celebrate Buddha Pournima. On Christmas, Christians come
to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. On Krishna Janmasthami, we
celebrate the birth of Krishna. On Sri Rama Navami, we celebrate
the birth of Rama. Why? We taste Divinity as being the same in all
A simple example: There is an ocean here. You can taste the ocean
anywhere and know that it is saline or salty. To know that
seawater is salty, you don’t have to go into the sea and drown
yourself. It’s not necessary. To know the taste of the sea, you
don’t have to go to a specific place in the ocean. You can taste
So, Christmas, Buddha Pournima, Janmasthami, Sri Rama Navami,
Vinayak Chaturthi, Shivaratri -- these are all the different
spaces located in the ocean of the Divinity of Sathya Sai Baba.
Sathya Sai Baba is the ocean, and these are the special occasions
that we take advantage of, to taste this Divinity.
Many people have told me, and it is on record as well, that there
are three beautiful books written by Christian bishops, which link
Baba and Jesus Christ, Krishna and Christ, Jesus and Sathya Sai.
Why I mention bishops is because a bishop is supposed to be a
professional, an expert on the subject of religion. What do they
All of them have said one thing: “After coming to Baba, I have
tasted Christianity. However, to the best of my knowledge, He
never said anything about Christianity.”
Why does a bishop say that He ‘tasted’ Christianity? He sees all
the Love and all the sacrifice of Christ. All that Christ
symbolises is contained in the life of Bhagavan, whom he sees
right in front of him.
I have also known people who, after coming to Bhagavan, have said:
“Now I know what Buddhism is.”
All Buddhists say three things:
Buddham Sranama Gacchami.
Dharmama Sranama Gacchami.
Sangam Sranama Gacchami.
“Why do you say that?”
“My father wanted me to say it.”
“Why do you say that?”
“Dharmapada, the Buddhist books, says it.”
Many Buddhists have told me, “Sir, after coming to Baba, we have
more insight into Buddhism.”
If you are a Christian, Baba has the face of Christ. If you are a
follower of Lord Buddha, you will have more insight into Buddhism.
Baba says, “Buddham Sranamam Gacchami.” This means, “Surrender to
the Feet of Buddha.”
Baba also says, “Where is Buddha now, for you to fall at His
Feet?” Shall we fall at the feet of His statue? Many people do
fall, and this is responsible for the fall of many! Instead Baba
says, “Buddham Saranam Gacchami” meaning, “Surrender to your
intellect.” Buddhi: Surrender to your intellect. Don’t surrender
to your body. Don’t surrender to your senses. Don’t surrender to
Why? The buddhi (intellect) is close to Atma (spirit). Because
“Buddhi Graksham Atendriyam” - Buddhi is very close to Atma -
follow buddhi so that you are close to God. That’s Buddham Sramnam
Gacchami. Will any Buddhist give that meaning of Buddham Saranam
Gacchami? This is the insight that Bhagavan has given us: “O
fellow, make use of your intellect. Make use of your buddhi to
walk along the right path.”
With this buddhi or intellect, what should I do? “Dharmam Saranama
Gacchami”: I should know dharmam, righteousness, and adharmam,
unrighteousness. With buddhi, I will know dharma – what
righteousness is. Without buddhi, I will not know what is dharma
and adharma, what is righteous and unrighteous. So with buddhi,
let me know dharma and follow dharma. Where do you follow dharma?
“Sangam Sharanam Gacchami.” In society, the path of dharma is to
be followed. Baba provided a wonderful insight into Buddhism.
He can do this because Sathya Sai is not a religion. Sathya Sai is
not a sect. Sathya Sai is an ocean of spirituality. In this
spirituality, you can have the feel of Hinduism, the taste of
Christianity and the insight into Buddhism.
So, one barrier to spirituality is a religion that impresses upon
you that God is a goal, and there is a way. They are both wrong.
To have preferences IS A BARRIER to spirituality
My friends, here is another barrier:
When people repeatedly go to Puttaparthi, they are asked, “Why do
you go to Puttaparthi so many times?”
What answer should we give? “I have no answer.”
However, some people will say, “I go because I want things to
happen according to my choice.” Oh! I see.
Then somebody will say, “Though you went to Puttaparthi, why did
your son fail in the examination?” “Why did you not get the
promotion in your office?” If you go to Puttaparthi regularly,
“Why are you notorious, or why aren’t you famous?”
My friends, we come to Baba not just for the fulfilment of
desires. No! Don’t misunderstand me. This is the point: God wants
us to accept anything that comes, anything that happens in our
life. Total acceptance is spirituality.
If someone says, “If my son fails in the examination, I won’t go
to Puttaparthi until he passes,” that fellow is a spiritual
businessman; he is in religious commerce. We should not be like
that. We should accept whatever happens, the total existence of
Who is God? God is total existence and we have to accept Him in
totality, totally. God is the total harmony of the existence. How
can I say this?
This happened one day. A fellow said, “Swami, my leg is
He said, “Chaala Manchid.” (Very good)
Another fellow said, “Swami, my grandmother died.”
“Santosham!” (Very good)
“Swami, this is the wedding card.”
“Manchidi bangaru!” (Very good)
He always says, “Manchidi, manchi, manchi, meaning ‘good’.
Death…manchi. Birth…inka manchi. Wedding…good. He never says,
“This is bad; this is inauspicious. Why? God is a harmony of total
existence. What is meant by that?
There are different instruments in the orchestra. Every instrument
is played, and all work together in perfect harmony. Birth and
death happen in perfect harmony. Day and night happen in perfect
harmony. Good and bad exist in perfect harmony. Nothing is
opposite to anything.
Some people say, “Sir, I like the day.” Even if you don’t like it,
there will be night.
“Sir, I like the night.” Even if you don’t want it, there will be
“Sir, I want good things.” Yet, bad things follow you like a
shadow; good and bad are not separate.
Please understand this: There is nothing absolutely good and
nothing absolutely bad. Every bad man has something good in him.
Every good man has something bad in him. If he says he is totally
good, do not believe him. He is a good-for-nothing fellow. This
table is perfectly good because it cannot be bad.
Good and bad depend upon time and convenience. The food I eat is
good. The next morning, it is bad. The oxygen I breathe in is
good. The carbon dioxide I breathe out is bad. So, what is good
and what is bad? Good is followed by bad. Bad is followed by good.
Good and bad follow like day and night.
So what is God now? God is total existence. God is the totality.
God is the harmony of both the positive and negative in life. We
put up a barrier when we are preferential or when we want this or
that to happen.
Some people say: “Should I have this kind of attitude? There are
some bad qualities in me. What should I do?”
My friends, God is great. God is compassionate. He forgives all
our bad qualities. Once you say, “I am bad,” you are no longer
bad. That’s all. If you are bad and declare goodness, then there
is something wrong with you. Yes!
A simple example: All the rotten stuff, if it is in the house and
kept in the dark, stinks. However, when the bad matter is kept
outside, it turns into manure; it becomes a fertilizer for plants
to grow. Once we see our faults, God can make all the bad become
manure. He can make all of our bad become fertiliser.
Let us not complain that God is beyond. Let us understand
ourselves in depth. This is most important. Some medicines we take
are harmful. If a medicine is used at the wrong time, it can be
poisonous. Still, other poisons can act as medicines. Now, what is
bad and what is good?
My friends, these are a few of the barriers to spirituality that I
could share with you this morning. To sum up, the first barrier is
knowledge. The second barrier is to fear God. The third barrier is
to seek God. The fourth barrier is ego. The fifth barrier is to
think of God as a goal. The sixth barrier is to think that the way
to be near Him is in religion. The seventh barrier is to have
preferences, to have certain choices in life, without realising
the fact that life is a totality, that life is a perfect harmony
of existence. There cannot be any existence, there cannot be any
choice, which is partial. Let us free ourselves from these
I have a few questions to answer. Kindly bear with me. I will read
them, OK? This is the first question.
IS THERE A REALISED SOUL?
Baba said there are many realised souls. One gentleman asked Swami
in the interview room, “Swami, are there realised souls?” Swami
said, ”Yes! There are many.” A young man asked me this question,
“Have you seen a realised soul?”
The answer came from Bhagavan. All of us are along the path of
realisation. We cannot say 50% are unrealised souls, and 50% are
realised souls. That counting may be alright for the sole of a
shoe! But not for this. No! We are all along the path of
realisation. Nobody is backward; nobody is forward. We are just
walking, hand-in-hand. That is what Swami said.
Journey together. A journey to eternity. A journey of friendship
and amity. A journey in perfect comprehension, understanding and
So, have I come across any realised souls? Yes! I come across them
every day. In what form? I see people going along the journey of
realisation, along the path of enlightenment. Am I clear? That’s
FORGIVE AND FORGET
Yes! Another question: ”We cannot forget and forgive everybody so
easily because we are human beings. But Swami says to forget and
forgive. Swami can smile in all situations. We cannot. Can you
show the right way towards life, or should we say a spiritual
life? How to smile in all situations?”
I see! In all situations, we can only smile when we smile at
ourselves. Please understand. We can laugh at others only if we
smile at ourselves. How?
A simple example: Somebody said to me, “Has Swami given you
“Has Swami given what?”
“Anything. A ring or a watch?”
I told him, “When I am not permanent, do you think the watches and
rings that He gives are permanent?” I don’t think so. I am not
permanent. The ring He gives cannot be permanent.
Then that man asked me, “Then, why does He give?” A very good
“He gives as a token of Love. He gives as a token of Grace.”
It is not that a ring can be permanent. Some people say, “Sir, you
may lose your shoe, but the polish will last. The shine on the
shoe lasts even if you lose the shoe.” It is something like that.
I smile at myself whenever I consider silly things so important.
When Swami talks to you and I get jealous, I should smile at
myself and think what a fool I am! He may talk to you tomorrow; He
may talk to you the day after tomorrow; He may not talk to you
after that. It is up to Him! Why should I feel bad about it?
Therefore, we can smile if we can witness and see our own life!
I always tell my friends, “Arrey! Please be convinced of this.
When everybody says, ‘Sai Ram! Sai Ram! Sai Ram! You are a great
man,’ do not think that you are great. You are great because you
are near Swami. When you are away from Swami, the moment you cross
the gate, then you will know just how great you are! You are not
at all great.” Because we are here with God, all the devotees are
godly and they respect and love us for that. That’s all. The
credit goes to Bhagavan and not to any of us.
Similarly, when you want to smile, be a witness to your own life.
Why am I jealous? Why am I worried about simple things? If
somebody sits where I usually sit, I say, “It is my place.”
Thousands sat there before I came! (Laughter) However, since I
started to sit there, I claim it is my place. If somebody sits
there, I feel so bad. (Laughter)
Now I should smile at myself. Why? Having left family, friends,
and properties…all in the name of God…now I want to fight for that
place, that stone surface on which I sit. Is this worthwhile at
all? What a fool I am that I want this seat. Arrey…arrey…rey!
Let us fight for a seat in the heart of Sai, not for a seat on the
floor of the auditorium. It is foolishness. So, we can smile at
our own whims and vagaries, at our own silly stupid attitudes.
After all, what is all this? When Swami starts praising somebody,
we feel so bad and think, “Is he so great? I am greater than him.
Perhaps He does not know.” (Laughter) Swami praises so that you
can become better. Swami praises to encourage you. Swami praises
to correct you. Why don’t you think of it like that?
Suppose every father says, “You know, Mr. Anil Kumar, my son is
pacca…a man of discipline,” When you start talking about his
discipline, he will be disciplined for that day, at least. Next,
he will claim, “My son is very intelligent, you see. He reads
regularly.” But the fellow never touches a book. So, the father
goes on speaking, sending positive signals, with the effect that
the son will start reading from that day on.
Therefore, we cannot interpret these things. Be happy and smile at
your own self (ego) for all its silly ideas. This is possible only
if you consider yourself a witness. That’s what I can say.
There are just a couple of minutes more.
BABA AS GOD
“Will Baba show the whole world that He is God in this body, or in
the coming body, that of Prema Sai?”
This fellow believes in the future also. (Laughter) Will Baba show
that He is God? Showing is something different from what He is. Is
that clear? I show my book. I am different from the book. Right? I
show my glasses. I am different from the glasses. Baba shows that
He is God. That means He is separate. But He is not. He is God!
What is the fun in showing? It is not a question of showing,
because if He shows now, then He is not God after the show. It is
something like a magic show. He is not God after the show.
So my friends, He is God and He need not show. Will the sun show
that it is the sun? It does not need to show. The sunlight shows
that it is sun. Will the flower show that it is a flower? The very
smell shows that it is a flower. Will gold show that it is gold?
No! The very shine, the glitter itself, is proof that it is gold.
Will Baba show that He is God? He is God because His life is godly
- His form, all His actions, His words and His thoughts. So He is
God. Am I clear? That is the way we have to take it.
FACING EVERYTHING IN THE SAME SPIRIT
“Whatever happened to me was for my own good. I killed a person
for a minor provocation. Is that also for my own good?”
Yes! It is also for your own good, if you face the punishment with
the same spirit.
A simple example: It seems a fellow committed a murder and was
brought to the court. The judge gave his pronouncement: “You are a
culprit and a criminal. Since you committed a murder, you will be
kept in prison for a lifetime.”
The prisoner was a philosopher, so he said: “Your majesty, a
humble suggestion. I am not the body. I am not the mind. So, how
can I kill? I am not the killer. How can you give me a
The judge said, “I am not giving a punishment. I am not the judge.
The punishment is to your body. This body is giving punishment to
that body. You have not killed, and I have not punished you.”
This is the Vedanta vernacular. Therefore my friends, if you kill
somebody, is it for your own good? Yes! It is for your own good if
you face the punishment. This idea of whatever happened to me is
for my own good is a principle that will withstand the test of
“It seems that the state president issued a list of ninety bhajans
with a directive that no other bhajans be allowed to be sung in
the bhajans mandali. The list does not contain the old and new
bhajans sung in Prasanthi Nilayam. What shall we do?”
I don’t think that there is a prescribed list of bhajans. I don’t
know. In a hotel, you will have a list of items prepared. You can
eat any item. There is nothing like a list of bhajans.
A simple example: Suppose you are in a reflective, meditative
mood, so you sing to yourself, “Dina Bhandava Sri Sai Deva.”
Suppose you are in a jovial, happy mood; then you sing “Gopika
Maala Haari Pyaari, Maayi Meera Mana Vihaari, Madana Mohana Murali
Dhaari, Krishna Jai.”
No one can say: “This is the list of bhajans you should sing now.”
A person cannot cry and sing a happy bhajan. It is not possible!
It depends on your mood and the place where you are.
Many of our friends are abroad. Some are too busy; others stay
alone at home. A person might sing Devaki Tanaya Dayanidhe,
Dayanidhe….Kripanidhe. He thinks of God to feel His nearness -
Darshan Deejo Deva Deva, Dinanatha Sai Natha, Devaki Tanaya
When you are alone at home, when you think that nobody is there
for you, that nobody cares for you, the husband and children are
away and the night is dark, what do you do? You cannot be joyful.
You cannot sing a song with a fast beat. You sing a song to
contemplate Him, to make Him feel very close…very close. Suppose
someone near and dear to you has died; you cannot sing a song in a
Naturally as a boy said,
Punarapi Jananam Punarai Maranam
Punarapi Janani Jatare Sayanam
Iha Samsare Bahu Dustare
Kripaya Pare Paahi Murare.
In that mood, he will understand the momentary nature of life.
No one can say, “This is the list of bhajans you should sing.” We
are not dictators like Musharaff and Bin Laden. We cannot do that;
we should not do that.
The next question: ”Will Baba transfer His powers to somebody?”
If it happens, we are the first applicants. (Laughter)
If He transfers His powers, to what? Will we have our chair by the
side of the Hanuman statue there in the Hillview Stadium, giving
interviews and charging money? (Laughter) There is nothing like
the transfer of powers. There is nothing like the delegation of
powers. You are the power.
Baba has said, “You are powerful! The power in Me is patent. While
the power in you is latent and hidden, the power in Me is
Therefore, there is no need for Him to transfer powers. You are
the power. He has given you all the power. You are God!
Still, I want powers. Suppose you find a rich man begging near the
railway station, what do you say? “He is a rich man; so why should
he be begging there?” Similarly, when you are powerful, nobody
needs to transfer power to you!
Those were the questions passed on to me for this week. Thank you
so much for being here this morning. I appreciate your time.
Asato Maa Sad Gamaya
Tamaso Maa Jyotir Gamaya
Mrtyormaa Amrtam Gamaya
Om Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti
Jai Bolo Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba Ji Ki Jai!
Jai Bolo Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba Ji Ki Jai!
Jai Bolo Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba Ji Ki Jai!
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