Anil Kumar's Sunday Satsang at
March 10, 2002
The Sunday Talk Given by Anil Kumar
March 10th, 2002
OM… OM… OM…
I extend a hearty welcome to all brothers and sisters of the Sai
family and offer my Pranams at the Lotus Feet of Bhagavan.
Why Should i Sit for Long?
Last week we started sharing all the
conversations that were taking place there on the verandah. I
covered six of them last week. The rest will be taken up this
It is rather surprising that I have received many, many letters
from our friends. Plus there are many, many oral requests -
complaining, if not demanding that I should share with you all of
what Bhagavan has been speaking to the students and the teachers
there on the verandah
Recently Bhagavan said, “What is the use of talking, when many are
not hearing Me? Why should I sit here?” That’s what Bhagavan said.
“Many are not able to hear Me. Why should I sit for long?” Then I
said, “Swami, many see You all throughout. They may not hear You
but they see You all throughout that time. That itself is enough
of a message to a devotee. Bhagavan’s darshan itself is a message
to a devotee. So Swami, do not feel that all are not able to hear
You. But all are able to see You.”
Why did I say this? I'm doubtful whether He would appreciate the
idea of having the mike and public address system. If we ask for
that, we may lose what we are having already. We may be denied
that. I don’t want to take that Divine risk, so I have put it
positively. “It is enough if we see You, Swami!”
A Brief Review of Last Week’s Talk
My friends, I shall just give you,
in a nutshell, a very, very brief review of what was discussed
last week. I think we covered six questions. The first question
was: God is everywhere; how do you say that? He supports your
tongue, so you can speak. He supports your ear, so you can hear.
He supports your tongue; that way you can taste. He supports your
eyes, so you have vision. Thus He’s the Supporter of all our
senses of cognition, all our senses of actions, and still beyond.
And the next (second) question was: How to know that? Bhagavan’s
usual teaching, though we take it in a casual way, has got all the
answer in depth: that God is in you, with you, above you, below
you, and around you. The third question: Why don’t we know Him?
This is because of illusion or Maya. Illusion or Maya is nothing
but to feel that that which is non-existent is existent. It is
mistaking the rope for the serpent. That’s what Maya is.
I won’t go into depth because we have many things to cover this
morning. Next Bhagavan said, “You are the world.” When you open
your eyes, you see the whole world. When you close them, nothing
exists. There is an abyss, darkness. There is no one else once you
close your eyes. But you are still there. When I close my eyes, I
am still there, but you are no longer there. Only I am there. When
I open my eyes, you all come into the picture. Likewise, the world
comes into existence when you open your eyes, not otherwise. So,
you are the world. Beyond you, there’s nothing. To quote Swami,
“Reflection of the inner being is this entire Universe.”
Then the next point was that the whole world is nothing but
reaction, reflection, and resound. Whatever I do, it comes back to
me by way of a reaction. All the good that I do will certainly
bring me good results. In the same way, all the bad that I do will
come back to me by way of bad results. We can never escape from
the results. We have to face them.
Then came the next point: The greatest act of charity is anything
that you do wholeheartedly, which is not counted in terms of coins
and currency. It has nothing to do with the foreign exchange. It
is the spirit that counts; it is the feeling that matters. It is
the motive, the idea that is the measure; it has nothing to do
Then came the question: What is civilization? Civilization is not
pomp and show. Civilization is not possession. Civilization is
just exercising a ceiling on desires. Be happy with what you have.
Let me not be worried that I do not have a big multi-storied
building. Let me be happy that at least I have some shelter to
live in. Let me not be bothered about the car that I do not have.
Let me be happy with the legs that I have, which help me to walk,
which help me to walk smoothly without any problem of petrol
consumption or any danger of accident. Let me not worry that a
thorn has pinched my foot. Let me be happy that I'm not bitten by
a snake. Let me not even worry that a snake has bitten me: Let me
be happy that I did not die because of a snakebite! (Laughter)
So, to be happy with what you have on hand is the true spiritual
mind. It is the true culture. Hence, culture is just the
reflection or the manifestation of our inner values, what Bhagavan
calls ‘guna sampathi’. The values, which are not seen, which are
not apparent, will have a bearing on my relationships and will
have an effect on my actions.
So, I think we have now covered all of the eight points made so
far last week. We’ll proceed from here, then, with point nine. I
want to repeat once again for the benefit of those who have just
joined us now that all of these points, my friends, every single
point that I have been speaking on here, then, now and in future,
are all based on Bhagavan’s literature and Bhagavan’s
conversations only. What we are speaking about now is the gist or
important points of the conversations that have been taking place
between Bhagavan and students there on the verandah recently.
I asked Bhagavan, “In spite of my
spiritual pursuit, in spite of my spiritual involvement, penance,
meditation and worship, I have not been able to experience the
spiritual realities. I don’t have any spiritual experience in
spite of my worship, in spite of all my spiritual rituals. Why?”
The reason is, Bhagavan said, that unless you empty yourself, you
cannot fill yourself up with anything fresh or new. The cup of the
human heart is full of the poison of hatred. The cup of the human
heart is full of venomous jealousy. The cup of the human heart is
full of pride. The heart is full of comparison and competition.
The heart has no space left.
So what we have to do is, we have to pour it out. We have to empty
our hearts first so that we can fill our hearts with love,
sacrifice, truth, compassion, forbearance and tolerance. Then
we’ll have positive results in the spiritual path.
In the spiritual path, many of us do not have any experience or
any result. Why? Though we do everything sincerely, though we
attend Nagarsankirtan, though we also sing full-throated, yet we
have no experience. The reason is that the mind is already biased
and prejudiced. So, why are we not successful? Due to the
background. We have to empty ourselves; we have to be totally
free, without any bias or prejudice, without any weaknesses. That
is the reason
Bhagavan wants us to understand and analyze: What is spirituality?
Spirituality, according to some, is attending church every Sunday.
Spirituality, according to some, is to attend mosque or a temple.
To some, spirituality means fasting. To some, spirituality means
keeping vigil throughout the night - not sleeping at all. My
friends! These things have nothing to do with spirituality.
If I fast, God will not appear in front of me; but my digestive
problems will go. (Laughter) If I keep vigil or keep awake
throughout night, God will not appear in front of me; but I’ll
begin to sleep during the daytime. If being awake in the night is
a guarantee for liberation, all hospital nursing staff, all
railway engine drivers, and all watchmen would find a birth in the
Kingdom of Heaven.
So, keeping awake in the night is not a path to liberation. With
fasting, one may become thinner and thinner, where fasting further
may even end your life; but that’s not a guarantee for liberation.
So, everything that we think is spirituality is not spiritual in
What is Spirituality?
What is spirituality? Swami suggests
three important points: kill the animal in you; develop the
humanness in you; and be the Divine, which is within you. These
three points refer to the fact that you are not one, but three:
the animal, the human and the Divine.
“Why? Do you say I'm an animal?” Yes, certainly! When I am angry,
if I look at my face in the mirror, I look worse than an animal.
(Laughter) When my heart is full of jealousy and pride, if I stand
in front of a mirror, well, every animal will feel ashamed when I
say, “You are an animal.” No! No, no, no! I'm better than the
buffalo! That’s what we’ll say.
So my friends, there is the animal within us. Jealousy is an
animal quality. You have a dog, a pet, already at home. If you
bring home another dog, the two dogs will start fighting. Why? Due
to jealousy. The snake stands for revenge. So the weaknesses such
as anger, pride, and jealousy are the animal qualities that we all
Furthermore, we have not made any attempt to kill them or remove
them because we consider them as qualifications. We consider them
as merits. That’s the reason why we are not aware of these animal
qualities. So first let us diagnose them; let us first identify
the animal qualities and then try to remove them, kill them, or
annihilate them totally. Then we’ll discover the human qualities.
What are the human qualities? Sympathy, forbearance, sacrifice,
truth, understanding - these are all human qualities. Let us
develop them. Let us grow them. When once we develop the human
qualities, then we will recognize the Divinity beneath everything,
the underlying current of Divinity, the Divinity that is
nectarine, immortal and ever-present within us. So these three
constitute true spirituality in the strict sense of the term.
What is Desire?
Next, another question was put to
Bhagavan: “Swami, You say that desires are bad. You say that I
should exercise a ceiling on my desires. You say that desire is an
obstacle, that desire is an ‘iron curtain’ between You and me. So,
I should not have desires. OK. But I desire to be near You. I
desire to be close to You. I desire to see You. Is that desire
also negative? Is it wrong to have that desire?”
In understanding Bhagavan said, “Religion is not a desire.
Spirituality is not a desire.” What is desire? First let us know
that. You desire that which you do not have. I don’t have money,
so I desire money. I don’t have a position, so I desire a
position. We desire that which we do not already have.
But in true religion, you don’t need to desire anything because
you are already THAT, Thath Twam Asi. You are already Divinity.
You are already God. You are God: Thath Twam Asi. Aham Brahmasmi:
I am God. Therefore, the pure heart is the Temple of God. I and My
Father in Heaven are One. Therefore, the idea that “I am God” is
not a desire. It is not a longing. It is not a petition. It is not
a request. It is not an appeal. It is simply awareness. It is
When I find my pen here in my pocket, it is not any desire. It is
not a request. I forgot that there was a pen in my pocket. Now I
realize there is pen in my pocket. Similarly, spirituality is
realization. Spirituality is awareness. Spirituality has got
nothing to do with any desire. That is what Bhagavan has said.
God is in and also beyond. God is in the mind, but He is also
beyond our mind. Without God, the mind cannot think. Without God,
you cannot talk; but yet the mind cannot estimate Him and talk
cannot describe Him.
Yatho Vacho Nivarthanthe
Aprapya Manasa Saha.
It means any talk fails to describe Him and one returns in vain.
The mind fails to comprehend Him and returns in vain. Neither can
our talk nor our mind estimate Him as per the Upanishad. Though
He’s the Supporter, though He’s the Cause, though He’s the Source,
He cannot be estimated; He cannot be comprehended; He cannot be
described. So God is in and also beyond.
You Think I Forgot
The next point is on: “You think I
forgot.” Now you come across a few miracles here! Swami
immediately looked at a boy of the 12th class. He’s quite a chubby
boy with a well-built body. He comes from the wheat-eating part of
India, namely North India. We belong to South India, the
rice-eating part. This boy comes from the wheat-eating part. He
has a well-built body and is quite handsome. He comes from
Himachal Pradesh. Those hailing from Himachal Pradesh have very
good complexions because of the weather. We feel like seeing his
face time and again. Yes!
Swami looked at that boy and called him: “Come on!” And then
suddenly Swami’s voice choked. He was touched. I saw His eyes
becoming wet. His eyes were wet and His voice was choked. He was
literally emotional. Why? Swami asked him, “What class are you
studying?” The boy said, “Twelfth class, Swami.” “Where do you
come from?” “Himachal Pradesh, Swami.”
In the meantime, Bhagavan said, “This boy came to Me at the age of
five to get admission in our school. He came straight to
Brindavan. At that time, he received a telegram informing him of
the death of his mother. From then till now, I am his mother.”
That’s what Bhagavan said, “I am his mother!”
He called that boy closer and closer, and touched his cheeks. The
boy started crying. The eyeballs were red. Tears started rolling
down his cheeks. Swami said, “Don’t cry, My boy. Don’t cry.” Then
He said, “Oh, where is your elder brother? I know. He’s in
Chandigarh studying medicine. He’s there in the medical college,
right?” The boy said, “Yes, Swami.” “Where is your sister? Ah!
She’s in Anantapur, studying B.Com. I know.”
Then He turned to all the boys and said, “You boys think that I do
not know. You boys think that I forget you. I don’t forget
anybody. But I talk to you at the right time. I talk to you when
it is necessary. When I don’t talk to you, never be under the
impression that I have forgotten you.”
This applies to each and every one of us. Some of us think that
God has not spoken to us. He has not spoken to us because it is
not necessary. This is the answer given by Bhagavan Himself. It is
not my concoction. It is for you to agree or disagree.
A Song Composed by Him
A few boys presented compositions to
Him. They had written some poems on Swami. They started stinging
songs. Bhagavan Himself composed some of the songs that they sung
some sixty years ago. I should congratulate these young chaps and
young fellows! From where they could get these cassettes with such
old, original songs. It seems they are archeologists! (Laughter)
They can go back into history. From where they got these songs, I
don’t know! When they practiced them is also a mystery!
You should have seen Swami’s face. A song of His, composed by Him
sixty years ago, just now sung in front of Him - just imagine how
pleased He’ll be! He was very happy. “Do you now when I composed
this song?” (Laughter) Who amongst them knows? After all, they are
only 18 or 19 years old, that’s all. “Sixty years ago I composed
this song!” “Oh, Swami!”
Then in the middle, He started singing, joining in the chorus!
That was the beauty. That was why the boys started laughing -
because He, too, started singing. And the stanzas that they had
forgotten, He started to prompt them. “What is that? This was the
real chorus!” We really enjoyed it. Swami also started singing,
correcting now and then.
A simple example of how He corrects us: ‘Donga bhaktulu’ is the
phrase in question. It would mean: “I will know who are fake
devotees. I know who pretend to be devotees, who are just putting
on a drama in front of Me. I know.” That is the meaning of that
But when asked, Swami immediately said, “I never said ‘donga
bhaktulu’! (Laughter) I never said that devotees are pretending. I
don’t say that. I never said that devotees just act in front of
Me. I never said that. I meant ‘donga sanyasulu’, referring to
those people who pretend to be sanyasis and celibates, who pretend
to be renunciates. I was referring to them, not to devotees. My
devotees never pretend. They are very good people.” He said, “My
devotees never pretend. They are very good and very honest. You
fellows, you have changed the words. Maybe it is just a reflection
of the inner being. You are speaking about your own selves!”
(Laughter) That’s what Bhagavan said.
So Swami said, “Alright, boys! I'm happy about your compositions.
You have written poems and you have written songs. I'm so happy.
But…” That is a big BUT! (Laughter) But then comes the problem:
‘kaani’ means ‘but’. “Chaala bhagundi bangaru! Very nice! Kaani…,
but…” Then comes His remark or correction. “Ah, what do you mean,
Swami? What, what, what?” Swami: “Kaani…but they are all
But Swami wants ‘heartificial’, heart-ificial, not artificial. Art
is outside; heart is inside. All that art outside is pravrithi,
external. The heart is inside, nivrithi, meaning internal. God
wants nivritthi or internal, not pravritthi, meaning external.
“Don’t be artificial, bangaru! Speak from the heart,” He said to
us, and that’s what He meant by ‘kaani’ or but.
Entertain Good Thoughts
Then He said, “My boys, I have a few
things to tell you. Always entertain satsankalpa, good thoughts.
Have good thoughts always.” Why? Good thoughts will help you to
take good actions. Why? Good actions will give you good results.
So what? Good destiny is guaranteed. Then what? Then comes luck or
We say, “He’s fortunate” or “So-and-so is lucky.” Why is he lucky?
He has reached the correct destiny. How could he reach his correct
destiny? He had good results. How could he achieve good results?
Out of good actions. How could he take to good actions? He had
good thoughts. Right! Simply reverse the order, up and down.
Baba, the mathematician; Baba, the scientist; Baba, the chemist:
He tells things with perfect precision and in a correct sequential
order. This is what is called ‘chain reaction’ in chemistry. It is
what they call ‘equation’ or ‘derivation’ in mathematics. Whatever
it may be called, Bhagavan Baba is the Scientist of scientists. He
tells it in such a scientific rational, logical, sequential way,
which is appealing to every modern mind.
How to Develop Good Thoughts?
So then, this is the question I have
put. As I told you earlier, when I say I have put a question to
Swami, it does not carry any note of pride or ego. I am always
conscious of the fact that it was only a chance given to me, a
special grace showered on me, without which I’d find my place at
the bus stand! I know that. So, I don’t dare to take any Divine
risks. Watching His face, finding out His mood, looking around at
the company there, only then I could slowly pick up courage and
put a question to Him. That’s all. It has nothing to do with my
personality; there is nothing great here. It is not an
achievement, no, nothing! Given the chance, you too can do it,
even much better than what I have done. That is my most sincere
Now, the question was this: “Swami, you want boys to develop good
thoughts. How to develop them? It’s good to have good thoughts.
How to have good thoughts? How to develop them? How to foster
them? How to entertain good thoughts?”
Bhagavan said, “You should start cultivating them from childhood.”
That means, “You sit down! You cannot cultivate them now. It’s
only for boys.” (Laughter) Oh! He nicely put it. Instead of saying
directly, “You cannot do it now,” He said, “You should cultivate
them from your childhood.” I said, “Childhood?” Swami: “Ah, yes!”
Swami gave an example of the snake gourd. Most of you must know
the vegetable called the snake gourd. Yes. It is a very long,
snake-like plant. What is done to the snake gourd? They’ll tie a
small stone at the end of it, connected with a string. Why? As the
snake gourd grows in length, its weight will also increase. To
ensure that the snake gourd grows straight, that it does not bend
or become curved, they’ll keep hanging a heavier weight at the end
of it. I think you all know that.
“Similarly, every boy is a snake gourd. I have to put some weight
of discipline so that they will grow straight, so that they’ll
entertain good thoughts later on.” I asked, “Swami! Oh, so it is
too late for me to entertain good thoughts? Shall I try next
life?” (Laughter) In other words, in ordinary exams, if some
students fail in the math examination in June, then they will have
to appear again for the September examination. Come September, one
again dances to the music of life! So, “Shall I wait for next
No, no, no! Bhagavan said, “No. Still you have got a chance!”
“What is it?” “If you follow what I say, if you follow My
teachings, yes! Success is guaranteed. You’ll be fortunate enough
and you’ll be lucky enough, the moment you follow Me, the moment
you listen to My words.” So, we can also live with hope along with
those boys, thanks to Swami.
Change of Post
And then Bhagavan started telling us an incident. If we follow
Swami, then what will happen? He gave an example of a Foreign
Secretary from Sri Lanka, who was there that afternoon, sitting on
the verandah. He asked, “Have you seen him?”
If I say I have seen him, He may say, “Have you come to see him or
Me?” (Laughter) So I cannot say that. If I say I have not see him,
Swami will say, “Why do you bluff? You have your eyes wide open!
You must have necessarily seen him!” So I will have the additional
punishment of having spoken a lie. So what did I say? I smiled. I
simply smiled. That is neither a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’. (Laughter)
Then Bhagavan immediately said, “You know? The Foreign Secretary
from Sri Lanka came this morning.” “OK, Swami.” “Three months ago
I told him, ‘You are going to be Public Service Commission
Chairman later.” Then I put on a question-mark face because the
Foreign Secretary post is higher or superior to the Chairman of
Public Service Commission. I said, “Swami? The Foreign Secretary
or the Public Service Commission Chairman?”
“Hey! You keep quiet!” (Laughter) “OK, OK, fine! Oh yes. Yes,
agreed.” Then He went on telling, “When he was the Foreign
Secretary, one Prime Minister was there, Chandrika. Now Chandrika
is the President, so there is another Prime Minister now. As the
Prime Minister changed, this man’s post has also changed.
(Laughter) Today he came here to take permission from Me to take
charge as the Chairman of Public Service Commission. He followed
Me. He obeyed Me. Had he not accepted this post, his life would
have been different. He followed My command strictly, so you
should also follow.”
He Followed My Command
“OK, Swami. Yes, yes.” At least, let
us follow, meaning understand, what He says! Then Bhagavan said,
“This gentleman, the Foreign Secretary, both of his kidneys
stopped functioning! He had kidney failure in both of his kidneys.
He went to all doctors, and they had given up all hopes. They had
even said, “Kidney transplant is necessary.” But nobody came
forward to donate their kidneys. Even his wife and his
near-and-dear people also refused to consider the proposal.
So what was to be done? He came straight to Prashanti Nilayam.
(These are the words that Swami said - please note with caution.)
So he came to Prashanti Nilayam with his abdomen swollen because
both of his kidneys had failed. He found it very difficult to
squat on the ground. Wow! There was terrific pain. But that was
the bhajan time, so this man dared not to get up. Why? If you get
up during the bhajan session, you’ll be literally carried out by
the Seva Dal, and will be conveniently placed there for departure
at the airport! (Laughter) So, he did not dare to get up! But he
was in excruciating pain.
After a couple of minutes, during the bhajan, our merciful,
compassionate Bhagavan got down from His chair, went into the
interview room and sent a chair for this gentleman to sit in. This
gentleman sat on this chair shedding tears, appreciating
Bhagavan’s compassion: “How could He know me?” But still he’s
Then Bhagavan called that gentleman in for an interview while the
bhajan was still going on, an occurrence that usually never
happens. And Baba said, “I just tapped both sides of his stomach.”
(Anil Kumar demonstrates by tapping his hand twice on his own
stomach.) He came out and then, after bhajan, he went straight to
his room. He had a motion and he felt completely free. He went to
the hospital the next morning and the doctor said, “Operation is
not necessary. The kidneys are first-class now. They’re working
much better than ever before!” (Applause) Swami said, “I simply
tapped, that’s all.” That is the Divine tap! That is Divine
Then Bhagavan said, “Why did I do this? Because he followed My
teachings. He followed whatever I said. He followed My command;
therefore, I have saved him.” That’s what Swami said. This will be
All of You Want Three Things
And then He turned to boys and said,
“Boys! All of you want three things, right?” They said, “Yes,
Swami!” Without knowing the three, they said that they wanted it!
(Laughter) Perhaps they might have expected three sweets because
“You’re not one, but three” – therefore, you need three sweets!
Whenever we distribute prasadam, the boys will say, “Sir, I want
two more.” I said, “Why?” “Swami said, “You are not one, but
three: the one you think you are, the one others think you are and
the one that you really are. Therefore, I need three sweets
because I am not one, but three!” “Very good!” I said, “I support
you, then I too will get three sweets!” (Laughter)
And then Swami looked at those boys and said, “Boys! You want
three. I know. What are they? You want kalimi: wealth. You want
chelimi: friendship. And you want balini, strength.”
My friends, those who do not know Telugu, if you remember these
three words which are very often repeated by Bhagavan, you’ll be
able to understand even before I begin to translate. Yes. You will
also be in a position to correct when I go wrong, yes! Not only
Bhagavan, you can also correct me! Why not? I enjoy whenever I
stand corrected because life is a process of learning. We never
reach a saturation point.
So Swami said, “Everyone wants three: kalimi, wealth; chalimi,
friendship; and balimi, strength. Boys, do you want these?” “Yes,
Swami, we want those three.” Then Bhagavan said, “If you want
these three, then what you should do is remove anything bad that
comes to you. Anything bad in you and anything bad near you must
be removed immediately, then you’ll have these three things.” That
is also applicable to every one of us here. If you want to have
good friendship, if you want to be wealthy, if you want to be
strong, we should not allow anyone bad or anything bad around us.
He gave an example. Suppose there is a fruit-bearing tree and near
that there is a thorny bush. What do you do? You remove the thorny
bush in order to preserve the fruit-bearing tree. Fruit-bearing
trees can be preserved. Fruit-bearing trees can be better
maintained by removing all the thorny bushes around. So you clean
the ground and don’t allow any thorny bushes to grow.
Similarly, if you want to have the fruits of wealth, if you want
to have the fruits of friendship, if you want to have the fruits
of strength, do not allow any thorny bushes of bad company or bad
thoughts. That’s what Bhagavan said. Then you’ll have a long life
and a healthy life.
Grand Old People
Then Bhagavan mentioned the names of
those devotees of the earlier days. They left us thirty years ago;
some fifteen years ago. They are no more here. Those devotees are
illustrious persons, grand old people, who set an example to every
one of us. There are many lessons to learn from them. The tests
and the challenges, the troubles and tribulations they faced,
well, they are beyond our estimate. They lived with Bhagavan for a
long, long, long period. Swami mentioned a few things about each
one of them. Each one of them lived for 100 years or even more.
They had long and healthy lives.
To begin with, there was one great
Sanskrit scholar named Kamavadhani. Kamavadhani lived here in
Puttaparthi for a very long time. He was known as a Vedic scholar
all over South India. He could recite slokas with full-throat. No
one could compete with him. That was his Master’s voice, a
Metro-Golden voice! No one can ever match that. That Kamavadhani
lived for a hundred years. Swami said a few things about him that
are worth noting.
Kamavadhani, having come here from his native place, never
returned; he never went back. He had properties, children, sons,
daughters-in-law, daughters, sons-in-law, and grandchildren, but
he never went back. That’s all. Having come, he stayed here.
Swami told, “It so happened that I visited his native place sixty
years ago, and this gentleman accompanied Me. There his children
hosted lunch for Swami and those who followed. This gentleman also
sat by My side. Then Kamavadhanai's children came and said,
‘Daddy, let Swami go today. You stay with us for one more day
because you have come here after such a long time.’
He said, ‘Nothing doing! If you say that, I will not take food
also! (Laughter) You should permit me to follow Him now itself or
else I won't take food.’ They said, ‘OK, its alright. It's better
that you go.’” That’s what Swami told us: “He did not want to stay
with his children for one more day. He only followed Me.”
And then what happened? On the day of ‘Sita Kalyana’, Kamavadhani
performed the celestial wedding of Rama and Sita. He recited and
chanted the Vedic manthras. At the end of that recitation, the
idols of Rama and Sita were all placed on a chariot to be taken in
Kamavadhani attended to all these duties and returned, went to
Swami, took Padanamaskar and told Swami, “Swami, I’ll go home now.
I’ll do some puja (worship) at home. I’ll have my lunch and then
see You this afternoon, Swami.” That’s what he said. Swami said,
“Don’t come to Me. You go home, have your lunch and sleep.” That’s
what Baba said.
The gentleman went home, did puja, had his lunch and then slept -
and he never came back to life! That’s a nice take-off, no
land-crash! Sathya Sai Inter-Continental flight! Zap! Off to
another planet altogether! “No pain, nothing; no hospitalization;
no one was required to serve him at anytime. That is the destiny
of those who follow Me.” That’s what Bhagavan said.
Another great gentleman was named
Kasturi. There are none among Sai devotees who do not know his
name. We are grateful to him because Sai literature is made
available to all of us, to the Sai world of devotees, because of
the hard work that he has done in composing much of Sai
literature, in the form of books available to us.
Bhagavan started speaking about Kasturi: Do you know how Kasturi
died? One day Bhagavan went to the college to watch rehearsals of
a drama to be put up by students. Swami saw all the drama. While
returning, He went to the hospital where Kasturi had been
bedridden for many days. Swami called, "Kasturi!" He opened his
eyes saying, "Swami!" Bhagavan slowly made him drink a glass of
water. (He poured it into his mouth.)
Kasturi recognized the meaning: "Swami is pouring water into my
mouth. So, my work on this earth is completed." Swami came out and
said to the people there, "Get everything ready for the
cremation." They said, "He is fine - still alive - isn't he,
Swami?" Swami said, "Why should you consider that? Get everything
ready!" Just as Swami reached the Mandir, the news came that
Kasturi had left his body."
Such a neat take-off! No problem at all. Why? It is the end that
concludes the kind of life that we led till then; the end of life
speaks of the quality of life that we led till that moment. So
Kasturi’s so grand, Swami said.
Then there was Seshagiri Rao.
Seshagiri Rao happened to be the father of Dr. Padmanabhan of
Bangalore. Most of you might have seen that gentleman. Seshagiri
Rao, having come here, never went back. He said, “I don’t want
Bangalore, Swami. I don’t want to go to Bangalore, Swami.” And
whenever Swami left for Bangalore from here, he never followed. He
would stay here. He had such a nice end. Many times the end is
also enviable. The end glorifies.
And then Swami mentioned about Pujari Kistappa, who also had a
peaceful end. He also mentioned the name of Surayya, who was a
tall, six and a half feet, well-built, hefty personality. He was
doing door duty here. He never permitted anybody to enter in
without Swami’s permission. He was such a strong man. While
sitting, talking to everyone, nobody knew that he passed away.
That was it! So, these are the names that Bhagavan mentioned.
Then Swami mentioned a few names of
Rajas. During the British regime, we had some Rajas or kings who
were managing their estates, their towns and neighboring villages.
They were all called Rajas, meaning kings. So Bhagavan mentioned
about these rajas.
Swami said, “You know, these Rajas visited Me long, long ago, when
there were absolutely no facilities at all, no approach roads, no
comforts, and no buildings. These Rajas, the kings of those days,
walked along the sands in the hot sun from Bukkapatnam. They
reached here, stayed under the trees, and spent their time here -
all the Rajas or rich, kingly people of those days.”
The Raja of Venkatagiri
He specifically mentioned the names
of the Raja of Venkatagiri, the Raja of Bobbili, the Raja of
Chalapathi, the Raja of Pithapur, and the Raja of Baroda. All
these Rajas came to see Swami again and again.
And Bhagavan mentioned in particular a few points regarding the
Raja of Venkatagiri. I was lucky enough to have visited
Venkatagiri three or four times earlier, as the Chief Guest to
speak on the occasion of Bhagavan’s Birthday Celebrations there at
Venkatagiri. Venkatagiri Raja happens to be an outstanding devotee
of Bhagavan. Not standing out, no, no! Outstanding. (Laughter) (We
belong to the later category, standing out!)
So, Bhagavan made a mention of this Raja of Venkatagiri. Raja of
Venkatagiri is very tall, more than six feet tall, and a very
hefty personality. He would compromise on any issue; but when it
was a matter concerning Bhagavan, there was no compromise. He is
so strict and strong that he reacts violently if anything is said
against Bhagavan. There is no compromise. This is what Bhagavan
A Fellow Challenged Bhagavan
It so happened that sometime back a
fellow challenged Bhagavan. So there were idiots in those days as
well as foolish ones even now! Such people follow every great,
noble soul. Why? To glorify them, so that the Divinity is spread
well, better than ever before. Christ faced challenges; Krishna
faced challenges; Prophet Mohammed faced challenges. Every great
man faces challenges. Why? To establish their own glory, so that
their Name and fame will be spread more and more day-by-day.
So, a fellow challenged Bhagavan. What did he say? He said, “I can
walk on the surface of water. Let Sai Baba also walk on the
surface of water! I can swallow pieces of glass. Let Sai Baba also
do it. I can simply swallow fire. Let Him do it”. All were
nonsensical things. The Raja of Venkatagiri was very wild and
said, “Swami, You should reply to that man.” Baba said, “I will
not. I don’t care to.”
But what happened there in Bombay? A big tank was built and filled
with water. This man was about to walk on the surface of the
water. But before he had put forward even one step, he
conveniently sunk deeply into that tank! The people had to lift
him out. In the meantime, the crowds had gathered because they
purchased tickets to watch this show. After what they saw, they
were ready to manhandle this fellow! (Laughter) Yes, people were
ready to manhandle him or tear him to pieces.
Then Baba sent a message: “Don’t do anything to that man. After
all, he wanted to have some publicity. After all, he wanted to
earn some money. For Me or against Me, what do I care? Don’t do
anything to him. Set him free. Let him go free.” That's what Baba
And then after sometime, when Bhagavan visited Venkatagiri, a very
big conference was convened, attended by scholars. There were big,
great Sanskrit scholars. The Raja of Venkatagiri insisted, “Swami,
You should answer this challenge.” He insisted. Swami said, “I
don’t.” He insisted, “Swami, please!” Then Baba said, “I will tell
All Divine messages are conveyed in an indirect way. But we do not
understand this and directly get into problems! (Laughter) When
indirect messages are not understood, that will take us to direct
problems. That has been the experience of many of us who did not
understand the indirect messages!
Swami, during the course of His discourse, said indirectly, “It is
the pig that feeds on excreta or waste matter. It is the cow that
grazes on grass. It is the human being who eats food. The pig
cannot challenge the cow saying, ‘Eat as much as I eat.’ The cow
cannot challenge man saying, ‘Eat as much grass as I eat.’” Thus
He concluded His speech. It means that as I am a human, I don’t
care to answer to …. - you can understand what He meant!
(Laughter) So indirectly He conveyed, ‘I don’t need to answer.’
Bhagavan also mentioned this about the Raja of Venkatagiri.
Whenever Swami left Venkatagiri in His car, there would be dust
rising up there. This Raja rolled on the ground so that the dust
of Bhagavan’s vehicle would touch his body. That would help for
his redemption. That would ensure his liberation. That was the
intensity of Raja of Venkatagiri, Bhagavan said.
Driving License At the Age of Nine
And then Swami went on to say a few
things about His own experience. “You know, I got a license. I
could drive My car. You know at what age I got the license? At the
age of nine!” (Laughter) Ah! Now only You’re like that! How short
You must have been at the age of nine, Bhagavan! How could you
handle the breaks and all that? (Laughter)
“I got a license at the age of nine. You know who gave me the
license? Two officers in the State and Regional Transport Offices.
In what state? In Madras Composite State. In those days, there was
no Andhra Pradesh, Kerala and all the rest. The entire South India
was under ‘Composite Madras State’. For the entire state, there
was only one State Transport Officer, by the name of Seshagiri
Rao. And there was another Regional Transport Officer, in charge
of ten districts, by the name of Hanumantha Rao. These two fellows
gave Me the license when I was nine years old, do you know that?”
(Laughter) “Swami, they gave it to You?” “Yes!” “How? How, Swami?
Let us know how!” (I don’t think that I'm eligible for a license
now. It is enough if I walk well, leave alone driving.) (Laughter)
Do you know what Swami said? These two officers drew lines on the
ground and asked Bhagavan to drive the car in-between the lines.
“I did it excellently! (Laughter) They kept their mouths shut and
gave Me a license.” “Oh, Swami!”
“Do you know, Anil Kumar, what I did?” “Swami, what did You do?”
“I made these two fellows sit in My car and I told them, ‘I will
take you to Madras.’ (Laughter) ‘Wow! Swami, Madras?’ ‘Yes!’
But those fellows were afraid to sit. (Laughter) Why? Because I
would go at a terrific speed! And all of the people would stand on
the road there (because cars were very rare in those days),
wanting to watch to see how a car looked. All of the villagers,
standing on either side, started watching the car and the speed
with which I was driving. They started thinking that a drunkard
must be driving! (Laughter) ‘He must be a drunkard! What is this
fast way of driving?’ They were feeling like that.”
“And then do you know, Anil Kumar, what the Transport Officers
did? They closed their eyes and began chanting, ‘Sai Ram! Sai
Ram!’ (Laughter) They were praying because they felt that they
might reach Heaven at any moment of time, due to this rate of
And then what happened? This Regional State Transport Officer
Seshagiri Rao’s wife was ready there at Madras. Her husband said,
“We have started here from Puttaparthi with Swami with our eyes
closed! I prayed to Swami to save my life. Don’t worry! We may
reach there, Madras, any time or no time - I do not know!”
(Laughter) His wife said, “Don’t talk like that. Swami will take
care of you. Don’t you know that Swami is God? Why do you feel
like that?” But he simply said, “I don’t know by what time.” But
the wife was quite sure that Swami would be arriving there at
Swami started from here at 7 AM; 11:30 is lunchtime in Madras!
Prrrrt! (Note: A fast car trip from Puttaparthi to Madras usually
takes about 8 hours.) That’s all! You can only imagine at what
speed He went there!
Swami went on speaking about His experiences. “Anil Kumar, for 15
years I drove my car, do you know that?” “Ah, Swami, is that so?
Very nice.” “And in those days, because it was war time, petrol
was not available. Only one gallon was supplied per month. That
gallon was not enough for Me because I moved up and down every
day.” “Ah, Swami, then what did You do?”
“I would ask one servant boy, by the name of Subanna: “Subanna,
yes, come on! Draw water out of the well there. Come on, pour it
out there.” And that water was transformed into petrol! That water
only I used, not the government supplied petrol!” “Ah!”
That’s what Bhagavan was telling us. Everybody burst into
laughter. Swami is known for His humor, while we are known for our
rumors, yes! (Laughter) And Bhagavan’s humor is really matchless
as it should be. His words should be final in the end.
You Also Sit
When He was talking like that, while
standing all the time, one gentleman said, “Swami, You are
standing. Swami, please. Oh, you must have strained a lot! Sorry
Swami.” Swami said, “I'm not strained. It’s no strain to Me. Are
you not teaching in the classes while standing? You are teaching
there. You stand and teach, don’t you? Similarly, I'm talking to
you. That’s why I'm standing.”
But one teacher wanted to be smart. We want to be smart. When we
want to be smart, we’ll be exposing our foolishness. One teacher
said, “Swami, in Gurukula, the ancient system of education, the
teachers sit and teach.” Swami said, “This is not Gurukula; this
is samakula: Here there is perfect equality. You are God, I am
God. How can this be Gurukula? You are wrong.”
Then another teacher wanted to be smart. “Swami, since you say
both of us are equal, we are seated, while you are standing. So,
as we are seated, better You also sit.” Then Baba said, “Hu-mm.
While teaching, I should stand. Otherwise, I can sit along with
you. Do you know the meaning of ‘Upanishad’? Upa, near. Ni, sit.
Shad, down. ‘Sit down near’ - that is the meaning of Upanishad.
So, Upanishad, you sit down here,” that teacher simply said, “Oh,
Swami.” So, we cannot reply to Him. Swami is full of humor. All of
the people burst into laughter.
There are a few more points. I know the time is up, so those in a
hurry, they had better leave.
And Swami said, “When you follow Bhagavan, when you are in the
company of Bhagavan, you will experience Divine vibrations.”
Mind, Position, Destiny, Property
Bhagavan made one point. “It is your
mind that prompts certain thoughts. Mind is mathi. Mathi means
mind. Mind decides your sthithi position, which will take you to
destiny, gathi, which is your property or wealth, sampati. These
are the words that Bhagavan uses quite often. I want to you to
note and remember them: mathi, sthithi, gathi, sampati. So we
should keep our mind always pure, unpolluted.
Then I said to Bhagavan, “Swami, when You say all are equal, I
feel offended.” I said that!“ After all, these little boys who are
studying in ninth and tenth class, how can they be equal to me? I
have completed 38 years of service as a professor. I'm a
post-graduate. After all, what are these fellows? How can they be
equal to me? How can all be equal?”
Then Baba said, “Oh-ho! You say that you are different from others
because of your intelligence. That is wrong. A simple example: All
of us give clothes to the dhobi, the washerman. We make note of
the number of pants, the number of shirts, the number of banians
(T-shirts), how many kerchiefs - we make note of all of them. But
that fellow does not note it down at all. He collects clothes from
everybody and returns them all exactly. Who is more intelligent?
Are you more intelligent or the dhobi?” The dhobi.
So, I must accept unconditionally that my M.Sc. degree stands
nowhere in front of the dhobi. Hence Bhagavan has said that it is
not the intelligence that matters. It is only the Atmic level, the
Spirit, the Consciousness in you, which is very much the same as
the Consciousness in the other man. So, at the Atmic level, all
Sivarathri, the Holy Night
My dear friends, I’ll just take a
couple of more minutes. Sivarathri falls on the 12th. Many of the
foreigners approached me and wanted me to say a few words about
Sivarathri. The points that I am going to speak on now are meant
Sivarathri, the Holy Night, has a special message for all of us.
If we know it beforehand, we will know the sanctity, the grace,
the purpose and the significance of it, so that we will observe
Maha Sivarathri in all solemnity, in all dignity, in a benefitting
way. What did Bhagavan say?
Sivarathri happens to be the 14th day during the dark fortnight in
the month. Every month has two parts: fifteen days, the light
fortnight and fifteen days, the dark fortnight. So, the fourteenth
day is Sivarathri. That comes every month. But this celebration is
not a simple Sivarathri. It is Maha Sivarathri. It comes once a
What is it? The moon starts warming up. It is hot in the daytime
and nighttime is very hot too. Moon is warming up and the sun
enters into Aquarius position, as per the zodiac system. The
position of the sun is in Aquarius.
The second point: In ‘Sivarathri’, according to numerology,
‘si-va-ra’ are the three letters. In numerology, ‘si’ stands for
number five, ‘va’ stands for number four, ‘ra’ stands for two.
Five plus four plus two: the total is 11. These 11 are rudras. And
who are these 11 rudras? Who are rudras? Rudras are those that
make us cry, that which makes us weep. Who are they? They are the
five senses of action, the five senses of perception, and the
mind, all equal 11.
We cry because of these 11 rudras. During this Maha Sivarathri, if
we pray to God, if we chant the manthra of Lord Siva, all these 11
rudras will be cooled down. They will be pacified. Their evil
effects will be nullified. They will be glorious; they turn sacred
from that day onwards.
The Cosmic Dance
Maha Sivarathri also stands for the
Cosmic Dance, as described in the epics. This includes the
togetherness of Divinity and Nature. The Divine is Lord Siva;
Prakrithi, Nature is Parvathi. Parvathi and Siva are not merely
husband and wife as we think of them. They represent the Divinity
and Nature. Maha Purusha is Absolute Consciousness or Parama
Purusha, while Nature, Parvathi, is Prakrithi.
So, the Cosmic Dance signifies the togetherness of Prakrithi, the
consort Parvathi, and the Super-Consciousness or Absolute, Lord
Siva. That is the Cosmic Dance of Siva, called Thandava, which
takes place on that Holy Night. This Siva Thandava, the Cosmic
Dance, is responsible for the entire Creation or Sristhi.
During this time, since Siva Thandava or Cosmic Dance takes place
at a very fast rate, fire comes out. To cool Him down, consort
Parvathi keeps Ganga water on His head and also keeps the Crescent
Moon on His head, in the coils of matted hair of Lord Siva. To
cool Him down, Parvathi applies sandal paste on His body. And
cold-blooded snakes coil near His hands, joints, and also His
These are all vivid descriptions. Don't take the description as
the Reality. It is the description given in the epics, the
Puranas. In other words, to put it in one sentence, Sivarathri is
the combination of Matter and Energy. Cosmic Energy is Siva, while
Matter is Parvathi. Matter and Energy are equal to Life; this is
the Creation. That is Maha Sivarathri.
Moon is the presiding deity of the mind. Sun is the presiding
deity of the eyes. Every part of our body has a presiding deity.
During Sivarathri, you don't find the moon in the sky; it is just
a streak, a line. Moon has 15 kalas, 15 ‘shines of glory’.
Sivarathri happens to be on the 14th day. It means that there is
only one shine, there is only one streak of the moon, only one
line. It is not full moon. What does that signify?
On this Maha Sivarathri, if we spend the day singing the glory of
Siva, even that single streak of mind will vanish, so that mind is
withdrawn, so that the mind is annihilated. Mind is an obstacle;
mind is the ego. That is the state of the withdrawal of the mind,
or amaskar, which is one of the interpretations of Maha
‘Sivam’ Means 'That Which is Auspicious'
Swami also mentioned a few more
points. Sivam means that which is auspicious. Rama is a person and
Krishna is a person. But Siva is an idea; Siva is a philosophy;
Siva is an ideal. Siva is not a form. So, Sivam means that which
We keep awake on Maha Sivarathri, called jagarana or overnight
vigil. We observe vigil. What does it mean? You can call it
nocturnal vigil. We are awake all during that night, making a
vigil, so that we will be watchful of our mind. We will fill our
minds with the Name of God. For that purpose, we stay awake.
Some people keep themselves awake by watching four cinemas.
(Laughter) Some people observe nocturnal vigil by playing cards or
spending time in a casino, the Las Vegas type. Well, it is not
that. It is thinking of God that has to be done. It is what we
Swami made another point: Linga is the diagram I have drawn. I am
not good at drawing, but this will give you some idea. This Siva
Linga has two parts: the horizontal part and the vertical part.
The horizontal part is called panavattam and has three sides: one,
two and three.
These three surfaces represent three gunas. What are the three
attributes? Sathwa, pious quality; rajas, emotional quality; and
thamas, bestial quality or inertia. So, this horizontal
panavattam, which is three-faced, represents pravritthi or the
world, which is three-dimensional, which is triangular, which has
got three attributes, The balanced state, the emotional state, and
the inertia - that is our nature, our human body. The whole world
is a composed of these three attributes. They are in every one of
Then there stands this vertical part, what we call the Linga.
Linga is the vertical part. What does it mean? While the body is
triguna, there is Linga, which is upward. That upward Linga thinks
of God, the Divine. The world is horizontal, Nature is horizontal,
the body is horizontal, but Divinity is upward. That is Linga, as
explained by Bhagavan.
We should understand this concept clearly. That which is present
in every one of us, which is the spirit, which is the
consciousness, which is the soul, is what you call Atma Linga. It
is the soul, the spirit in you. Am I clear?
It is also full of awareness. This Self is full of awareness, so
it is called Jnana Linga. This life force is called Anda Linga. It
is full of activity, full of Divinity, so it is called Sada Siva
Linga. It is the Light of Knowledge, so it is called Jyothi Linga.
These are the names given to Linga. So, the same soul, the same
spirit as awareness is Jnana Linga; as activity is Sada Siva
Linga; as light of knowledge is Jyothi Linga; as the spirit is
Atma Linga. These different names are given to that spirit or soul
or consciousness within everybody.
Siva has the vehicle of the bull. Why? The bull represents
stability. You go to any Siva temple; the bull is always looking
at Lord Siva. Similarly one should have full concentration,
looking at Siva.
Lord Siva has got three eyes, so he is called Trinetra. We have
two eyes but Siva has three eyes. He must look awful if he really
has three eyes! (Laughter) We can't look at him! Three eyes are
not referring to the physical eyes. The three eyes represent the
past, present and future, Trinetra. God knows all the three
periods of time.
Names of Siva
Siva has another name: ‘Digambara’.
It refers to the four poles - east, west, south, and north. These
are the four poles that stand as the canopy under which the whole
world exists. 'Dik' means ‘poles’and ‘umbara’ means ‘canopy’. So
this world has got the canopy of the four poles; that is
Siva is also called ‘Sankara’, which means that He confers all the
good that happens to you. Siva is also called ‘Kamahari’, meaning
He destroys all desires. When once the desires are conquered, you
become ‘Mrutunjaya’, meaning you have conquered death. So, one
becomes ‘Mrutunjaya’, the conquer of death, when he successfully
kills all his desires; and one becomes ‘Kamahari’, when one
believes that all the four poles of the Universe form the canopy
under which we live, also called ‘Digambar’.
God, the All-Knowing, having awareness of the past, present and
future, called Trinetra, is riding on the vehicle of stability,
namely the bull. Siva has four faces. What are they? With this one
face, we manage to see well. With four faces, how would we look?
Well, I don't want to tell you. But these four faces of Siva are
not the types of faces we have. The four faces are Shantham,
equanimity; Roudram, terror; Mangalam, grace; and Utsaham,
elevating energy. These are the four faces of Divinity.
There are many more things to speak about regarding Sivarathri.
But this much I wanted to place before you as some kind of
information, a sort of practical guideline, so that you will have
some basic knowledge. With this knowledge and information we can
observe Maha Sivarathri in a benefiting way, thinking of Lord Siva
and His beautiful, majestic form of Auspiciousness. Chant His
Glory. Repeat His Holy Name. Thus we will get into that state of
desirelessness, that state of deathlessness, that state of
Immortality and Awareness.
May Bhagavan be with you forever and ever more! Sai Ram!
Om Asato Maa Sad Gamaya
Tamaso Maa Jyotir Gamaya
Mrtyormaa Amrtam Gamaya
Om Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti