Anil Kumar's Sunday Satsang at
September 23, 2001
The Sunday Talk Given by Anil Kumar
"What am I?"
September 23, 2001
Dear Brothers and Sisters!
In Spirituality "What am I?" Comes First
To realise the objective of sessions like this and to be more
academic, instructive, and practical, I thought of converting the
lecture class into a teaching class. I hope that you'll certainly
enjoy this and understand the sprit behind it.
The topic for this morning is "What am I?" Usually the word that
we come across or the sentence that we often hear from Bhagavan is
"Koham?" It means, "Who am I?" However, I have chosen to speak on
"What am I?" Usually in the world, we first know the answer to the
question "Who am I?" For example, I am Anil Kumar. What am I? I'm
a professor in botany. So, "Who am I?" comes first in the world,
and "What am I?" comes next.
However, in spirituality it is in the reverse order. "What am I?"
comes first and "Who am I?" comes next. I should know what I am so
that I will know who I am later. Yet, in the world, you'll know "Who
am I" first and then you will find out later "What am I?". I think
I'm clear. I thought this morning that I should talk to you on
this topic, "What am I?".
I am what I speak, what I do, what I think, and what I stand for.
This is the stuff with which I am composed of and the substance
with which I am made. Now Iíll give a few points with regard to
the difference between "What am I?" and "Who am I?". My friends,
I'll really appreciate it if you understand the spirit behind it.
What are the differences between these two questions, "What am I?"
and "Who am I?" The first difference is this. "What am I?" speaks
of the matter and qualities. It stands for the senses. "Who am I?"
relates to the Spirit and the Conscience. It is connected to the
Consciousness. The second difference is "What am I?" is worldly.
It has something to do with the five elements. "Who am I?" is of
the Spirit beyond the elements. The third point is that "What am
I?" is a question. Every question has an answer. A question
without an answer should be out of the question! So, "What am I?"
is a question that finds an answer, whereas "Who am I?" is not
really a question, but a quest, an exploration.
Now the fourth point is "What am I?" is an analysis, whereas "Who
am I?" is a realisation. "What am I?" is an expression, while "Who
am I?" is an experience. "What am I?" is a solution to a problem.
In the field of "Who am I?" you do not solve any problem. The 'you'
simply dissolves! A simple example: when sugar is dissolved in
water, you don't find any sugar left at all. When once you know "Who
am I?" you will get dissolved. There will be no one left (to
separate himself out) to say who he is. So, getting dissolved is "Who
am I?" whereas solving the problem is "What am I?" So my friends,
I wanted to speak on "What am I?" first, before we go to "Who am
I?" which becomes subsequently quite possible and easy enough.
This talk is developed from Gunatriya Vibhaga Yoga, the 14th
Chapter from the standard, sacred text of the Song Celestial,
Bhagavad Gita. My job was made easy because I also went through
Gita Vahini, a book written by Bhagavan Baba Himself. In the year
1984, Bhagavan Baba gave 30 discourses on the Bhagavad Gita. The
standard book taken from these talks was very well edited. I also
referred to that book. Based on these three available books, I
could make an easy-to-understand chart. (This is the age of
summaries. We can't afford the time to go through so many books.)
So I thought of bringing it to you in the form of a capsule or
summary, something like a floppy or a disk! I'm sure you'll
Interpretation Depends Upon What I Am
Every one of us acts, thinks, and speaks in a particular way.
Therefore, every one here is unique in a special way. This is
understood. Let us entertain and live with the idea that "I am
unique. I am not a crowd." If anyone says, "Sai Ram, Sir" one
person will understand it this way: 'This man wants to repeat God's
Name again and again, so he says, "Sai Ram".í Another person may
have interpreted it in this way: 'The conventional style is saying,
"Good morning! Good to see you." Instead of that, this man chooses
to say, "Sai Ram" as a word of greeting.' A third man will think,
'This man said "Sai Ram" because he expects a favor from me!' (Laughter)
So, the same "Sai Ram" may convey so many meanings! Don't you
We give meanings depending upon what we are. How I look at and
interpret things and the way I react with you, my
interrelationships, behavior, personality, and interaction more or
less depend upon what I am. So I thought it's most important to
think of what I am in an interrogative sentence, and to find an
answer to that based on the Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan's Gita Vahini,
and the series of Divine discourses.
"What am I?" could be very well understood because you are
composed of your reactions, sentiments, impulses, moods,
reminiscences, and planning. All of this depends upon one factor,
what we call gunas. I have written a chart with colors here, for
the benefit of those who are interested to follow.
The Three Attributes
Gunas is a Sanskrit word meaning behavior, qualities, or
attributes. So, what I speak and how I behave reveals my guna or
quality. Gunas are behind our actions and interrelationships.
There are three types of gunas. The first type is called sathwic
quality. Sathwic means goodness, serenity, balanced temper, purity,
brightness, peace, and harmony. You may be wondering, 'How does it
mean so many things?' Sathwic means all or any one of these,
depending upon the context. (Sanskrit is a language that can play
the game of hide and seek. It is like a chameleon. It appears to
be understood, while it is not understood in the strict sense. If
we know the essence of all the words put together, it is quite
possible and easy for us to understand it in the right sense.)
In examinations, we publish the results as 'first' class, 'second'
class, and 'third' class. Similarly, in trains there are also
first, second, and third class compartments. Likewise, sathwic is
one variety, a quality that one class of people have. The first
class of people are those with sathwic quality. The second class
of people are those with rajasic quality. What is rajasic
mentality? It means being highly passionate, highly energetic,
totally restless, and having absolute attachment. One having
rajasic quality is an extrovert who cannot contain anything for
one's own self.
The third class of people are thamasic people. What do you mean by
thamasic nature? It means being dull, inert, having a temper, and
being in darkness and ignorance, all in one! These are all the
wonderful qualities of the third category of people. (Laughter) I
think I'm clear.
These three attributes are the qualities that are behind our
actions, reflections, thoughts, feelings, emotions, sentiments,
reactions, interactions, and interrelationships. They constitute
our total personality. All the aspects of life like the physical,
psychological, and intellectual realms of expression constitute
the total personality.
The Sathwic Quality
What are the qualities of a sathwic personality or man? The
'first' class of man is very much coveted. One has to be
fundamentally and basically sathwic if one wants to be religious,
spiritual, or take to doing sadhana (spiritual practice). Without
being sathwic, there is no sadhana at all. Without being sathwic,
you are irreligious and non-spiritual. I think I'm clear. I have
also indicated on the chart the numbers of the verses or slokas
from the Bhagavad Gita. Those who have copies of the Bhagavad Gita
and want to verify can certainly go through the cantos mentioned
there for immediate reference. This talk is not my imagination or
interpretation. It is based on the original text.
Now, what are the sathwic qualities? Number one, a sathwic man has
Knowledge, called Jnanam in Sanskrit. This is mentioned in the
17th canto. Ordinary knowledge is fractional and segmented. But
total understanding and comprehensive knowledge is called
awareness. So, a sathwic man has this quality of awareness.
How do you find out or identify a sathwic man? Is he sathwic if he
wears white clothing or if he is very punctual to bhajans? No, not
necessarily. What about if he puts on a serious face? Certainly
not! Is he a sathwic man if he goes on pushing everybody? Then he
would be just the opposite! (Laughter) Is he sathwic if he rushes
to the canteen immediately after bhajans or jumps over to the
(By the way, it is so interesting to notice how people rush to the
stores. There is a greater pressure at the stores than in the
Mandir here! (Laughter) As our brains have become a 'store of
thoughts', for that reason we go to the outer store of objects and
materials! Life has become a 'storehouse' for us. Thatís why
Bhagavan keeps us in 'cold storage'!)
Another quality of a sathwic man is nirmalam, a Sanskrit word
meaning 'purity'. According to Bhagavan, this means purity of
thought, word, and deed. Bhagavan mentions three famous Pís:
purity, perseverance, and patience. A sathwic man should have this
first P, purity.
The next quality is prakasakam, 'light-giving' or 'illuminating'.
We feel illumined and enlightened when in the company of people
who have the sathwic quality. He is in the light and he sheds
light. His company itself is the one of awareness. It will not
push us into darkness or torture us.
In the company of a sathwic man, you will never face the threat of
violence. You will not encounter any trouble from a sathwic man.
There is no worry of 'Tomorrow he may attempt to murder me!' Or,
'The day after tomorrow he may try to let me down.' Or, 'This
evening he may put me to shame.' Ananayam, meaning 'untroubled',
is also the quality of a sathwic man. This is mentioned in the
16th and 6th slokas. It means not giving any trouble and not being
Then what happens? As Bhagavan says, when a vessel with many holes
is filled with sweet juice, only sweet juice comes out through all
of the holes. "As is the tank water, so is the tap water."' Thatís
what Bhagavan says. If the tank water is polluted, the tap water
will be equally polluted. If the tank water is pure, the tap water
will also be like that.
So, a sathwic man with that awareness, purity, and illumination, a
sathwic man who is untroubled, will have only sathwic qualities
expressed through his senses. The words of a basically sathwic man
are bound to be full of Truth. His actions are Dharmic or
righteous. His thoughts are in absolute Peace. His relationships
are full of Love and his understanding is non-violent.
The famous human values, Sathya (Truth), Dharma (Righteousness),
Shanthi (Peace), Prema (Love), and Understanding are all the
result of the sathwic quality. He speaks Truth and he acts in a
righteous way. Heís full of peace and he is loving. That is
possible because the sathwic quality expresses itself through all
the gates of the senses. Sarvadwareshu - dwara means 'gates' and
sarva is 'all'. The sathwic quality, the pious quality, will have
an expression through all these gates of the senses.
The 14th and 18th slokas explain two additional points. "OK, Sir.
I'm sathwic. I claim to be sathwic. I think I have sathwic
qualities. After all, what do I get out of this?" We are very much
business-minded, even in the world of spirituality and religion.
"So let me know the benefit, let me know how I'm going to be
profited, by being sathwic. Will there be any extra foreign
currency or increased rates of interest? What is it that I'm going
Here it is clearly said, "Look here, young man! If you have this
sathwic quality, after this life, your next life will be one of a
higher order and with greater awareness." Amalan lokan means 'one
will attain the world of the highest and the pure'. You will be in
the midst of the highest, pure people. It is a promise of
continuity to Eternity. The Sathwic quality of this life will be
carried to the next life also. It is something like a balance
sheet maintained by commerce students. The last entry is brought
forward and carried onto the next page. Am I right? Similarly, the
sathwic quality is brought forward to the next life, where we will
mingle with pious people and be in the company of pure,
Next is oordhwam gachanthi, which refers to 'a higher world of
knowledge'. This means that you are always on the ascent, in
eternal travel, trying to unravel the mystery of nature. You are
blissful, peaceful, truthful, and full of awareness. Those are all
sathwic qualities. They are absolutely necessary for any spiritual
seeker or aspirant who wants to be 'first-class stuff'. What is
the result of being sathwic? The result of being sathwic is this
awareness or Jnanam. "I have this awareness, this Knowledge,
because I'm sathwic.
The Rajasic Quality
The second one is the rajasic quality. What is rajasic quality? It
is full of passion, energy, restlessness, attachment, and
extroversion. These are all the different meanings for the rajasic
quality. How does it express itself? One will be emotional,
passionate, action-orientated, and highly attached. What is the
result of being rajasic? The result of rajasic quality is
expressed in the 16th sloka - dukham or suffering. The rajasic
people will have to necessarily face suffering.
What happens is this: A man who is rajasic will have a number of
desires, one after another. He will have attachments towards
worldly objects to the maximum extent. Whatever he sees, he wants
to possess it. "If you have color TV, why shouldnít I also have
one?" "If you own a very big building, why shouldnít I also own
one?" "If you wear nice clothes, why shouldnít I have them too?"
The rajasic quality has this kind of possessiveness and comparison.
"If you are popular, I can be more popular!" "If you are notorious,
let me try to be more notorious!" (Laughter) This sort of dirty
game of comparison and vulgar competition are the qualities of a
rajasic man. A sathwic man will never compare himself with anyone
or compete in any profession or hobby. He will not compare himself
to anybody in any field of life. Heís a standard unto himself.
Competition and comparison are the qualities of an emotional and
attached rajasic man. This is ragathmakam, 'passion for objects'.
Raaga means 'attachment' and raagaatmikam means 'attached to
The 17th and 12th slokas clearly explain the qualities of a
rajasic man. How does he express himself? He has greed, lobha. He
wants to have more and more. Even if you give him the whole plot
and the whole lot, heís not satisfied. It is something like a fire.
Even if you put everything possible into the fire, the fire will
never say, "Enough, enough!" No! The fire says, "I want more."
Therefore, fire in Sanskrit is called anara. Anala is 'wind' and
anara is 'fire'. Anara implies 'that which does not say, "Enough!"'
It only says, "I want more and more." That which crosses the
limits of one's needs becomes greed. This is the definition of
greed. I think I'm clear.
A rajasic is man full of greed and tends towards pravritti,
external temperament. He has attachment to everything present in
the world and feels, "I should have whatever you have. Let me own
everything!" This is a sort of claim to be as good and equipped as
The rajasic man is also fully action-oriented. He cannot sit for
sometime. "All right. This is the time for meditation. Sit up
straight and close your eyes." Well, he sits and closes his eyes,
but he plans what to do next. (Laughter) Silence on the lips,
total noise in the head. Physically, he is actionless, but the
mind is fully active. He is full of maneuvering and manipulation,
managing things, matter and material.
Therefore, a rajasic man is always action-orientated. Why? Because
he wants to do something desired or even prohibited. He will start
doing the things heís not supposed to do because he has nothing
else to do! When I cannot do anything else, at least I can talk to
you, even though I'm asked to be silent. There is a board saying,
"Silence, please!" However, I go on talking with everybody. Why? I
have nothing to do. This is called karmanam, which means 'action-orientated'.
What happens because of this action? Heís highly restless. Asamaha
means 'restlessness'. Every activity makes him restless because
actions are result-oriented. Such persons are prone to making
comments. For example, let us say I am talking in the Mandir. I am
not supposed to talk, so I become restless. Why? Others may notice
me. Therefore, I may be in danger tomorrow. Somebody may say, "Donít
talk! You are setting a bad example." Am I right? So those who are
action-orientated are highly restless. Restlessness is susceptible
to criticisms and has both positive and negative effects.
Spruha is 'longing, desire'. Rajasic persons always have
expectation, longing, and desire. "There will be a day when I am
going to be in charge of all this!" "There will be a day when I
will be an uncrowned King!" "There will be a day when everyone has
to follow me! That day is your doomsday!" (Laughter) But the day
when I will be ĎNumber Oneí may not come at all in my lifetime.
This kind of meaningless expectation, longing, and desire is a
kind of vanity, exhibitionism, and weakness.
OK, Sir. What a difference there is between sathwic and rajasic
qualities! One is full of purity and the other has emotional
attachment. One is full of light and the other is highly restless.
One is untroubled and the other is always troubled with longing
and desire. See that! The result of sathwic quality is you go to
higher realms in the next life. Meanwhile, a rajasic man of action
and expectation will be born again next life in the family of
action-orientated people. This is called rajasa madhye, meaning
'in the midst' of rajasa.
Thatís the reason why you find a military officer whose son is
also a military officer. I met one gentleman who said, "I'm a
brigadier, Anil Kumar." "Oh, good to see you, Sir!" He didnít keep
quiet. "My son is a major!" I said, "No surprise." (Laughter)
Another example: "You look here, Anil Kumar! I'm a doctor. My son
is in the final year of medicine." "Excellent." So, what happens?
A doctor has a doctor-son and an engineer has an engineer-son.
Today we find actors' children also becoming actors. Of course, I
stopped seeing cinemas for the last thirteen years since I came
here. This is because there's no chance. It is not because of any
special virtue! (Laughter) I donít claim to be highly virtuous.
There are no theaters around, so I donít have a chance to go. I'm
cinema-proof now! The point is that I have observed and understood
that most of the actors in Telugu films today are the children of
actors of yesteryears. Why? It refers to the same thing - rajasa
madhye. They are born in a family that is full of action. The
Bhagavad Gita explained this.
The Thamasic Quality
Now, the third class of people is thamasic. Tamas means 'darkness'
and 'dullness'. Some people are dull. Their face itself is
abhorrent and their company is incorrigible. Their face appears as
if they have drunk two liters of castor oil! (Laughter) They never
smile. They shun company, long for isolation, and live all alone.
They have the thamasic quality.
There are some people who say. "I cannot communicate. I cannot be
free with everybody." This is a thamasic quality. If you are not
free with everybody, you are a dead stone, a dead log of wood. I
should be able to communicate. I should be able to move freely. "Let's
go! Swamiís car is going!" The other responds dully, "OK, you go
start. HmmÖ" Or another example: "Oh! The train is there on the
platform! Let's go! Hurry!" The thamasic person responds, "No
hurry." This is inertia and dullness.
I tell my students that when Bhagavan makes certain statements, I'm
not happy with the response from some of the students. Why? "Believe
Me or not, in this whole Body, top to toe, there is no trace of
selfishness. There is nothing like ego. It is full of Love." When
Bhagavan makes that profound statement, what kind of expression
does He expect from the people in the audience? There should be a
face of joy and a feeling of excitement! Without you knowing, both
of your hands should join together in reverence. There should be
cheers and applause. That is the immediate reaction. But there are
some that sit with no response, as if they are deaf. (Laughter)
When I teach John Miltonís book, which is entitled Paradise Lost,
if you sit there unconcernedly like this (Anil Kumar strikes a
demonstrative pose), (Laughter) well, there is something wrong
with you. If you lose one rupee, you feel as if you have lost
everything. When I say, "Paradise is lost," it is nothing to you!
Therefore, a response is necessary. Thamasic people just say, "Ah-huh.
Ah..." Thatís it! There's no other response. They are dull and
inert. They also have a bad temper for every little disturbance.
If I'm coming in queue and my body touches a thamasic man
unintentionally, he says angrily, "Donít you know that you should
keep off?" (Laughter) "Oh. Sorry, Sir! I didnít know till now that
you are untouchable. (Laughter) I'm sorry. Hereafter, I know that
you are an 'untouchable'. OK?" There are some people who will say,
"This is my seat! You are not supposed to sit in it." "Oh! I didnít
know, Sir, that it is a 'condemned area'. (Laughter) OK?" They
have a temper for everything. This is thamasic, the third class of
Then with thamasic people, there is total ignorance and they
are carried away by all silly things. Let us suppose that somebody
comes and asks me, "When is Swami going?" "Why are you interested
when is He going? If He goes next month, what are you going to do
now? If He goes now, can you stop Him from going?" Such people do
not know how to make use of the present. They do not know how to
live in the present moment. They do not know how to live in
Existence, so they go on like this, just out of total ignorance.
There are some people who ask me, "What does Swami eat?" Are you
going to follow His diet? If I tell you what Swami eats and if you
follow Him, youíll be 'no more' tomorrow, you can take it from me!
Oh yes, the whole campus will be empty! (Laughter) This is total
ignorance, I tell you!
How do thamasic people act? Whatever you tell them, spiritual,
psychological, para-psychological or religious, nothing gets into
their head. They are religious-proof, spiritual-proof, and all
proof - something like our watches, which are waterproof,
heatproof, and magnet-proof! This is a thamasic mind. (Laughter)
Nothing will get in - nothing!
So, Jnanam is the quality of a sathwic man. Constant suffering is
the quality of a rajasic man because heís not satisfied with any
immediate result. Ignorance is the sign or the symbol of a
A thamasic man, who is inert and dull, fully identifies himself
with the body. Body identification is a thamasic quality. Pasitiah
pasuhu means 'he has an animal or bestial temperament'. Pramada
means he has 'false understanding and is heedless'. Here is a
simple example. If Swami says, "Go" it is only one word. One
person will take the meaning to be, "Swami wants me to go home."
Oh! There is bus or train waiting there. So you can go! This is a
false understanding. He wants you to go from here, not to go away
from here. Do you see?
Supposing Bhagavan says, "God has no form. God is formless and
attributeless." "That is what Swami said, so let me not go to the
temple at all! (Laughter) Let me not worship at all. When God has
no form and no name, why is Ganesha here? Why is Subrahmanyam
there? Why is Gayathri there?" This is foolish understanding,
which is their own fault.
One must go from form to formless and from attributes to
attributeless. It is a struggle from point A to point B. Point A
is worship to a form with attributes, saguna and sakara. Point B
is formless worship and attributeless, nirguna and nirakara. It is
like travelling along the way. Some fellow thinks, "Swami said,
ĎAll forms are Mine.'" Yet, if you take this literally and go on
talking to everybody, you will have to enter a lunatic asylum! So
my friends, having a false understanding, incorrect approach, and
being neither realistic nor practical, is a quality of a thamasic
man. It is pramada, dangerous.
The 13th and 8th slokas explain very clearly about thamasic
people. If you just sit by the side of a thamasic man, he is not
only dull, but heíll successfully make you also equally dull. (Laughter)
Never sit by the side of a person who sleeps because youíll feel
like sleeping. Thatís the reason why truck drivers, bus drivers,
and taxi drivers will never allow the man next to him to sleep. If
his neighbor sleeps, the driver will also start sleeping, and then
both of them will go into eternal sleep! (Laughter)
A thamasic man is so contagious and highly infectious that he will
also make you dull. Suppose you sit by the side of a man who
doesnít sing bhajans with his full-throat. If he goes on murmuring,
whispering, and grumbling like an 80-year old person, you also
will not feel like doing bhajans with your full-throat. On the
other hand, if you sit by the side of a man who is radiant,
vibrant, and sings loudly with his full-throat, you too will feel
like joining in. Thatís why bhajans or congregational worship is
done in the company of inspired people, not in the company of 'perspiring'
people. If you are in the company of 'perspiring' people, you will
start perspiring! If you sit in the company of inspiring people,
you will be inspired in turn.
Therefore, thamasic quality is highly dangerous because of its
aprakasa, 'darkness of intellect'. Such a person is a dunce and a
dullard, and he will make you equally so. That is the quality of a
thamasic man. As Bhagavan says, "Tell me your company, I shall
tell you what you are."
The next quality of a thamasic person is laziness, apravritti.
There are some people who want to be lazy in the name of religion
and spirituality. "Hey! What are you doing here in Puttaparthi?"
"Swami wants me to be here." "Oh. So what are you doing?" "I'm
just sitting here like that." "Oh! Just like that? Doing nothing?"
Then you are a burden to the campus and a very bad example to
everybody! Just see how God works tirelessly.
My friends! Let me tell you a question posed by the Prime Minister
and the Home Minister of this country. They are national leaders.
They happened to talk to some devotees of rank and file, main
people of our organization, who have very high responsibilities.
What they asked of these organizational people is equally
applicable to everybody.
(I'm just making this a public secret, though I'm not supposed to!
(Laughter) I know the danger involved, but it doesnít matter. I
invite it! As you know, I'm ABC, Anil Kumar Broadcasting
Corporation (Laughter and Applause). Yes! Youíre used to BBC, but
this is ABC! I'm proud to be that. Given the chance, Iíll be it in
my next life also.) (Laughter)
So the point is, do you know what no less a person than the Prime
Minister and the Home Minister said to leading workers of the
organization? "You call yourself devotees of Bhagavan. You call
yourself the organizers and active workers. You say that youíre in
charge of all activity. But our question straight to you is this:
What is it you are doing for Swami? You all come here to get your
desires fulfilled. You receive your own promotions and get your
political pursuits endorsed. You come here for your own families
and get everything from Him. Youíre all here because of some
sickness, seeking a total cure from Him. But what is it you have
done in turn for Swami?" We are nonplussed. We have no answers. "What
is it youíre doing for Swami?" After all, we have done nothing.
There was one man who wanted to be smart. He answered, "What is it
that I can do when Heís doing everything for me?" (Laughter and
Applause) This is the best example for the thamasic quality. No,
gentlemen! The Prime Minister happens to be a devotee of at least
five decades standing. He has been visiting this campus quite
frequently. Do you know what he said? He said this: "All right.
Swami is doing everything for you. I know. I accept that. But it
is your duty as a devotee to do something for Him. As a devotee,
what are you doing for Him? What is your concern?"
I'm reminded of one example that Bhagavan told us. One fellow said,
"God, You give us food. Whatever I eat is Your prasadam, Your gift.
So why should I make any offering? Itís not necessary. So there'll
be no offering. It is cancelled." (Laughter) "Oh God! All the
money is Your Grace. So, I need not donate anything. I donít need
to contribute because You have given all to me. When you are the
Giver, what is it that I am to give back to You?" Ah! This is a
convenient philosophy and a thamasic quality or bestial
temperament. Laziness is a thamasic quality. We are not supposed
to be lazy. We should do something for the organization, something
for the Sai mission.
Another quality of thamas is delusion or moha. Some think that
laziness is spiritual life and that filling the belly and talking
all nonsense is spiritual life. This is nothing but moha or
delusion. Next what happens? Sleep or nidra. I'm not speaking of
any single person. We have some great devotees who can afford to
sleep as Bhagavan gives His discourse. Very great people! (Laughter)
I donít know how they sleep!
While Bhagavan is giving His discourse, there are some people,
lucky souls, who can go into the state of samadhi or sleep. (Laughter)
Some can even snore, disturbing the neighbor! (Laughter) Some can
even go to that supreme state where they lay down on the lap of
the next man sitting by their side! (Laughter) Tsk! This is a
thamasic quality. Sleep should not be in excess. We should have
some limits. There are some people who can sleep in offices. There
are some others who can sleep in a standing posture, as if heís in
a circus. Ah! They are so great. So, nidra, sleep, is a thamasic
What Happens to Thamasic People?
"OK, Sir. What happens to thamasic people in their next life?"
They are born in moodha yoni, in the wombs of senseless, useless
people. Moodha means 'useless' and yoni, 'the womb'. They are born
in families who donít have any kind of purpose or goal. They are
born to those who lead wavering, aimless, and purposeless lives.
What will happen to them ultimately? They go to the lower level of
consciousness, what we call adhogachanthi.
So these are the three classes of people. Now each one can put to
himself the question, "What am I? Am I sathwic, rajasic, or
A judge in a court was about to pronounce his judgment on a
criminal who committed murder. This criminal was a philosopher. He
had studied some books. He got up and said, "My lord! I have not
murdered anybody. After all, the real ĎIí in me is the very same
ĎIí in him. When he and I are one, who is the killer and who is
the killed? Who is murdered and who is a murderer? Who kills and
Ah! The judge could understand, ĎHere is a philosopher!í Then he
said, "Who is giving punishment? (Laughter) Who is undergoing
punishment? After all, you are going to be hanged. Thatís all. (Laughter)
The one who is going to be hanged and the one who ordered the
hanging are the same. Donít worry, get realized!" (Laughter) You
see this? Therefore, adhogachanthi, he goes to the lower world
without any consciousness.
"All right, if I'm thamasic, well, I am helpless. Let me continue
to be thamasic. What to do? God made me like that." (Laughter) Oh!
Once Bhagavan said two points, which I want to bring to your
attention here. One point is this. There is a solution. What am I
to do if I'm thamasic? What to do if I want to eat continuously
and sleep as long as possible? What if I am always indifferent,
impertinent, non-responsive, non-receptive, dull, inert, and
passive like a boulder? There is a possibility now.
A thamasic man should start by doing some work. Thatís the reason
why all of us are given some work or other to do by Bhagavan. If
you are old and you have some joint pains, spondilitis or
arthritis, you can be seated comfortably and at least make some
vibhuthi packets. If you are not very healthy and the body is not
strong, at least you can participate in water distribution there
in the canteen, seeing that the tumblers are full of water. If you
are young enough, come on! Do some seva. If you are rich enough,
come on and contribute! So, some action is necessary for the
thamasic man to become rajasic. It is a sort of evolution.
When once you become rajasic, you start working for Him. For a
rajasic man to become sathwic, he has to cultivate that spirit of
enquiry, enthusiasm, awareness of Self-knowledge, and devotion.
Karma or action will make a thamasic man rajasic. Bhakthi or
devotion will make a rajasic man sathwic. There is one step above
and beyond sathwic, and that is transcendence. This is indulgence.
We have to think about transcendence - how to transcend, how to go
beyond the three attributes. I will mention a few examples given
by Bhagavan before I close.
The Three Qualities Are In Everyone and In Nature
Some people may say, "Sir! I'm full of sathwic quality." Oh! How
can you declare it yourself? Others may say, "I am thamasic." Why
do you say that? Baba has said that everyone has all these three
qualities. That is very important. How? Just as the fan has three
blades, every man has these three qualities. You are not someone
separate. Gravel, sand, and cement - all three are helpful for
construction. If there is only mere sand, we know that we will see
the collapse of the bridge the next day in the newspaper! So these
three are necessary and they are present in everybody. This is the
first point that Baba said.
The second point He said was that you find all these three
qualities in nature. For example, watch the sunrise in the morning
and the sunset in the evening. People go to Cape Comorin (located
at the southernmost tip of South India) to watch the beautiful
sunrise. Bhagavan gave this example. As you watch the sunrise,
initially you find darkness all around. This is the thamasic
quality. Next you will see the red color of the dawn breaking,
which is the rajasic quality. At the center, when the sun rises
over the horizon, there is a brilliant white color, symbolizing
the sathwic quality. Therefore, sunrise has three colors - black,
red, and white - during one event! Then Bhagavan gave a second
example of our eyeballs. Look into your eyes. There is the white
color, the red color, and the black color there too. This also
speaks of the three qualities present in the eyes.
OK, Bhagavan! I have all the three qualities present. Now what am
I to do? Here is the answer: That which is extra or in excess will
decide your personality. If sathwic quality is more than the other
two, you are a sathwic man. If rajasic quality is more than these
other two, youíre a rajasic man. So, it is only when the thamasic
quality dominates these other two that youíre a thamasic man. That
which is proportionately more in you decides your personality.
But even that could also be converted and transformed by personal
effort to change. This effort is called sadhana (spiritual
practices). Sadhana does not mean the physical strain of sitting
straight. Any buffalo can do that! (Laughter) If sadhana cannot
bring about change and transformation, then the sadhana activity
done is only physical exercise. We are not here for physical
exercises! There are gymnastics and acrobatics that are done in a
gymnasium or sports field. That is not spirituality.
So, the result of spiritual sadhana or practice is transformation.
One thing may be transformed into another. Thamasic becomes
rajasic through action or karma. Rajasic becomes sathwic through
bhakthi (devotion). Finally, a sathwic man can transcend all these
three qualities through jnana or awareness! You should go beyond
all these three qualities. That is also possible.
As there won't be a chance for some of you to come next week, Iíll
just give a brief idea of what Bhagavan said within the shortest
possible time. Why should you grow beyond these three qualities? "Is
it not enough if I'm sathwic?" No, you should go beyond these
three qualities. Why? Swami gave a few examples. You are chained
by an iron chain, which is the thamasic quality. A silver chain is
the rajasic quality. A gold chain is the sathwic quality. There is
only change in the quality and the metal, but a chain is a chain.
So, there is every need to get out of these chains, whether is
iron, silver, or gold. Bhagavan said that all three of these
qualities are a sort of bondage. When once you transcend these
three qualities, you are liberated. That is paradise, nirvana, and
moksha. I will give more details on the transcendence of these
three attributes or gunas next week.
Thank you very much!
(Anil Kumar closed his satsang by leading the bhajan, "Sai
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