Anil Kumar's Sunday Satsang at
March 18, 2001
The Sunday Talk Given by Anil Kumar
March 18th, 2001
Swami's 'D. Tech' or
Master of Divine Technology
OM… OM… OM…
With Pranams at the Lotus Feet of Bhagavan,
Dear Brothers and Sisters!
Let me share with you what has happened this morning. (Laughter)
Yes, I do think that you can get that hot, hot news from me. It's
not impossible. Even the 'Washington Post' or 'BBC' or even 'Life
Magazine' cannot deliver goods as fast as I can! I think (Laughter)
perhaps I am even faster than the electric medium, the Internet!
Bhagavan Knows Everything
Now, what did Bhagavan say this morning? Sunday is special for
certain reasons. Ever since the new hospital (Super Speciality
Hospital) in Bangalore has been built, doctors, paramedical staff
and technicians started visiting Prasanthi Nilayam every Sunday.
It is necessary for them to come here. In other words, Sunday has
become a 'Hospital Day'. (Laughter) This is what Bhagavan says
What did He say this morning? "We understand that 3,000 patients
have already been examined as of today and 580 patients have been
operated on. Many of the bypass surgery operations have been
successful, many of which were on infants."
The boys have been giving us this information. The all-knowing
Bhagavan, though He knows, He feels happy when we also know it. He
knows it but He wants us to know it as well. When they speak about
it, He is quite happy. It is very difficult to keep quiet when you
know something. If I don't know anything, I start listening in
rapt attention when you tell me something because you are giving
me information. But in Bhagavan's case, it is not like that. You
are not giving Him any new information. You are only telling Him
what He already knows. Yours is knowledge, while He is the Source
of all knowledge.
All the information that we pass on, all the statistics, data and
the details we share with Him, He knows already. They are prompted
by Him, directed by Him, treated by Him, cured by Him, healed by
Him, brought by Him and willed by Him. We are nowhere, with the
result that, as you go on talking, He cuts you off in the middle
and starts speaking. This is what happens. He'll ask you, "What
happened?" You'll start talking and He says, "No, no, stop." Then
He'll start talking.
'Why did You ask me? You can tell it just as well! Why do You cut
in, and why do You speak?' This is a question that comes to our
mind as a beginner, as a novice, as an investigator, as a seeker.
But you'll find the answer if you analyze.
The answer is simple: "You fellow, don't think that you know that!
Do you think that you are telling Me anything I don't already know?
You tell Me what you know and I shall tell you more of what you
don't know! What it is that you do not know, I will tell you that
also!" So, it is a question of a dialogue between the human and
It is quite evident that the human is half knowledge, while the
Divine is full knowledge. The Divine is full and absolute, while
the human is partial and half knowledge.
This is what happened. He asked one young man, "What is a
heart-lung machine?" Then He started to tell him, who has
experience and who has been here since the beginning of this
hospital, who is a highly accomplished man with gold medals during
all his student career. He started to speak. "Stop!" Ah, what now?
It is a kind of experience to everybody to know that Bhagavan is
all- encompassing, all knowing, that He is omniscient, that He is
omnipresent, and that He's omnipotent. That's the reason why He
starts talking in a much simpler way. And He started correcting
that man - "I will tell you!" He also says, "I'll tell you also
those things that you do not know."
My friends, every situation, every scene is not only an experience,
but also an expression of Divinity. Every scene is not merely a
scene, but an indication of the Seer Himself. Things are not
merely known, but you tap directly into the Knower.
Bhagavan started telling us how the heart-lung machine works and
then asked that man to speak again. The man said something, but He
stopped him again and started speaking Himself again.
Translating For Swami
Well, I wanted to take a chance translating for Swami so that we
didn't have to listen to two speeches at the same time. But I
thought it was too risky - 'High Risk', 'Highly Inflammable' as
you find written on petrol tanks. You also see written 'Glass
-Handle with Care'. So, it is most essential that only the person
to whom the question is directed should respond.
I also reminded myself, 'O mind, please keep quiet! Never mind
whether you follow or not. Never mind! Until you're asked, don't
poke your nose into anything. Unless you are ready to leave from
here, don't take the chance.' So, all right, I silenced myself
somehow, under great pressure! I find it very hard to silence
myself, but quite easy to silence others! (Laughter)
That young man, although he comes from North India, (but because
he stayed here for a long time) he speaks Telugu pretty well. At
that stage, He made him translate His talk. Then I thought,
'Swami, You can make anybody at any time do anything. It's not
necessary that I should translate. You can make anybody translate
for You.' Even if you don't know the language of Telugu, He sees
to it that you know it, understand it and also translate it! Even
if you know Telugu, you may not follow Him. You may not be able to
understand Him. You see I draw so many lessons from every
situation and from every corner. So, he translated Bhagavan's
message this morning.
Swami Speaks of Body Functions
He was speaking of how the blood flows through the arteries. As
the blood flows, the arteries get narrowed down because of the
accumulation of cholesterol in the walls, which will lead to a
heart attack. Because cholesterol gets collected in their walls,
the blood vessels get narrower. It is something like the dust and
the rust on an iron rod. Just as the iron rod is dusty and rusted,
the blood vessels also get dusty and rusted because of the
cholesterol. Thus, the flow of the blood is affected and that
leads to heart trouble.
He explained it so nicely that even a kindergarten child could
understand it. That tells me a very big message: The greatest
teacher is the one who can make the highest teachings be
understood by the simplest man. A layman also would be able to
understand. These are the most complicated things to be taught
only by the Teacher of teachers, Jagadguru (World Guru) or Sadguru
(the true Guru or Teacher of Truth), Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
I do not think that anybody can explain heart attacks as simply as
that, and tell us in such a simple way, in such an easy style, how
a heart-lung machine and the angioplasty procedure works. Some
words frighten me, let alone the complaint! The very hospital, the
scene, the smell, the names of the diseases, and the technical
terms will make me sick! So I tried not to hear anything. But when
Swami speaks, I cannot help but listen to Him.
A Boy With His Heart on the Wrong Side
So He was speaking about all the machines. Fine. Then Bhagavan
started telling us what recently happened in our hospital in
Prasanthi Nilayam. A very unusual operation was done. As we all
know, the heart is located on the left side of the chest. But in
this particular child of less than one year of age, it was located
on the right side! Of course, I'm happy that that child has a
heart, left or right. In the world, there are many heartless
people! (Laughter) Instead of being heartless, whether it is right
or left, at least it is good that the child has a heart!
Now, that case was brought to our hospital and it was very
difficult to handle because it meant 'shifting the luggage' from
Gate 7 to Gate 8, as in Detroit Airport or New York Airport. It
was simply a question of shifting. But the heart is not a suitcase
and that too on a one-year old child!
Then Swami started explaining about all the many connections.
There was artificial respiration, blood pressure, and all kinds of
machinery and wires all over the body. The parents could not take
care of the child. They could not even watch because they wanted
to see this child without all these connections and wires. They
could not bear the suffering.
But, as Bhagavan said, the shifting of the heart from the right
side to the left side was most successfully done. Our doctors did
it very easily and nicely. What a feat! They are doctors with such
After all, many of you have come from the West. So all these
things may not appear to be so extraordinary. They may not be
historical. Yet, it is the spirit with which our doctors work in
both hospitals, the General Hospital and the Super Speciality
Hospital, which is so special and unique as Bhagavan said this
morning. He made the boy also say the same thing. The treatment is
excellent. Swami has been explaining to us how the doctors talk to
the patients and the ways in which the doctors deal with the
patients - how nice, how sympathetic and how understanding they
So, more than allopathy, more than naturopathy, more than
homeopathy, Sri Sathya Sai Hospitals stand for Sympathy. Sathya
Sai Hospitals stand for Sympathy and Empathy. It is more than mere
'-pathy' or treatment. The doctors depend more on Jagat-pathi, the
Lord of the Universe, than on allo-pathy!
These things have been explained this morning. It is really
extraordinary how the paramedical staff and the nurses deal with
the patients. Swami further talked about another case taken up by
our doctors a few years ago. I'm telling you all the 'hot-hot'
news this morning. In fact, I have certain other philosophical
topics to talk to you about, but as I watch your faces, you are so
anxious to have things 'straight from the kitchen', 'hot from the
oven', and I can understand your anxiety. Naturally you are eager
Operation on a VIP
There was the time when a VIP - a "Very Important Person" - was
operated on. Being a very important person, he had a very
important complaint, also a very important disease! Being a VIP,
he cannot have any ordinary sickness. (Laughter) He should have a
VIP sickness! Bhagavan Himself started telling us, "He had three
complications: a heart attack, lung trouble and cancer. And later,
when the body was opened, they also found stones in the gall
bladder - a fourth complaint!"
When the luggage is opened, certain other things will be detected.
That's why there is an immigration counter, metal detector and all
that. (Laughter) So, when the 'suitcase' (of the body) was opened,
they could see the extra 'luggage' of stones in the gall bladder.
Such a man came here, a very big VIP.
Not only that, but there was another complication. Usually our
blood flows through our blood vessels, as it has been the case all
over the world right from the beginning of Creation. However, this
VIP was extraordinary! Why? Because it was not blood that flowed
through his blood vessels but alcohol (Laughter) because he
believed in the 'liquid' type of sadhana (practice). Poor fellow!
He had been drinking enough for a couple of lives and his whole
body was spoilt.
Unless spare parts are used, unless a totally new man is made, it
seemed impossible to help him. Many said, "He might collapse on
the table." That was the first possibility. Secondly, while being
taken into the hospital, "A nice death might cure him," and
thirdly, "He might die during the operation." And fourth, "When
being treated for one complaint, another complaint may try to
complain and overtake, taking him to the other world!"
So, what is to be operated upon and what shall be done first?
Should we treat the cancer first, the lungs first, the heart next
or the stones first? What is the first, what is second, and what
is the priority? No one dared to approach that man. Bhagavan said,
"Come on, I'll do it. I'll be there in the hospital. You treat him.
You should not ask him to go because I will be there."
Swami told us this only this morning. I wish I could have a small
tape recorder and show it as evidence. Of course, I'm very sure
that, as you are all very good and great devotees, you will never
doubt my statements. A devotee never doubts. Since you are great
devotees, you'll never doubt a small devotee like me!
The result was that Swami stayed there and the operating time took
about 10 hours. Ten hours only and six bypass surgeries were done!
Usually the record is four to five hours. This man had broken
Olympic records – six bypass surgeries! Very good, a record case,
and Swami stayed there during the entire operation.
And then what did they do once the operation started? Bhagavan
told us that all the experts were called in. Each one was asked to
take care of his specialty, to fix that spoilt part of this
patient. "Oh, you are a gall bladder expert. Come and take care of
the stones." Or, "Oh, you are a lung expert. Take care of the
So, each one was busy. It was something like a platform where
everybody is ready to catch the flight, as in Hong Kong Airport.
There people are trying to get onto a flight immediately,
whichever is readily available, just to avoid all the mosquitoes
there. Like that scene, the doctors here were so busy! All were
busy, depending on which part was rotten and what had to be done.
Swami was laughing as He told us this story.
And then what happened? The operation was successful of course,
but the patient was not ready to drink again. (Laughter) On the
third day, his brother-in-law, the former Chief Minister of this
state, came. (Let me not tell his name because the brother-in-law
might get a bad name.)
He asked Swami, "Was the operation finished yesterday or the day
before yesterday?" Bhagavan said, "You just go and see him!" When
he went to see the fellow, he was just moving on the verandah,
having a morning walk (Laughter). He should have walked on the
moon, but he was just walking here on the verandah of the
hospital. That's what Bhagavan was telling us ecstatically.
Specialty of Sai Hospitals
You must have watched Bhagavan yesterday afternoon meet with the
Director of the Super Speciality Hospital, Dr. Safaia. I'm quite
an inquisitive man and I like to know things. I said, "Swami,
though I have been staying here, I don't know what is happening. I
don't know anything about the medical aspects because I am a man
of fear. Since the doctor is available by Your Grace, may I ask
him some questions?" If the doctor speaks in a more detailed way,
Swami will make it simple for me. Since Swami is there, I need not
be afraid of the doctor! 'L.I.C.' (Life Insurance Corporation)
Yesterday I was able to ask Dr. Safaia a few questions. He is from
Delhi, the All-India Institute of Medical Sciences, which is one
of the most prestigious hospitals in this country. I asked him, "Sir!
You hail from that great hospital and you are Director of this
hospital. Please tell me what differences you find."
Immediately Dr. Safaia said, "I find an ocean of difference. Why?
The difference lies in the way the doctors treat the patients, the
way the paramedical staff and nurses treat the patients, and the
way the patients feel themselves. The patients don't tell anybody:
'Please take my property if I don't return,' or 'I'm very anxious,'
or 'I am crying,' or 'Well, you may not see me again'. No such
words are heard. In Bhagavan's hospital, success, long-life and
health are a guarantee at the doorstep!"
"It is sometimes very difficult to find out who is the patient and
who is the attendant! (Laughter) It is very difficult to see
because both are smiling. It is very difficult to find out whether
he is to be operated on or has already been operated on! There is
no tension, but an absolute easiness, and the patients are so
happy because Bhagavan is there unseen. The Divine, Protecting,
Ever-loving, Ever-Living Presence is there throughout. The
patients feel the Presence and they are happy." That is what the
doctor said yesterday.
Then I said, "Sir, what differences do you find between the
doctors there and the doctors here, meaning between the doctors
here in the Super Speciality Hospital and the General Hospital,
and there in the Super Speciality Hospital in Bangalore? What type
of doctors do you have in the Sathya Sai Hospitals?"
Immediately the Director said most authentically, "They are all
here because of their love for Swami and not for any gain. They
are not here for any comfort or for any pleasure or for any
influence. Their love for Swami made them come and stay here. They
all believe that this sprit of service will take them closer and
closer to Bhagavan. It is this service that takes them closer to
Bhagavan, because 'Service to man is service to God.' They talk so
softly and in a comfortable way, making the patients happy. It is
He said another thing. I don't know how many of you know this: Let
me tell you that I was not aware of the fact that post-doctoral
training is given in our hospitals and degrees are awarded. These
courses, which include courses in Nephrology and Cardiology, are
duly approved by the All-India Council for Medicine and Surgery.
Even though I live here, I did not know these facts.
The Attitude Students Should Have
Dr. Safaia also told me yesterday, "We have students here as well."
"Oh Sir, good. Then what is the difference between students here
and students there? I know the difference between the patients
there and here, the doctors there and here, and now the students -
how are they?"
I already told you about my weakness, my inquisitiveness. I always
want to know. I want to be informed. Why? I want to tell everybody.
Why? 'Yes, this is our Swami! This is what our Swami has done to
the universe! This is what our Swami has done to humanity.'
Unbelievable things have been happening. Unimaginable things
caused by Bhagavan are happening. They are all happening while He
is moving in our midst.
In these days of commercialism, these days of selfishness, these
days of money, you do find glimpses of Divinity - the touch of God,
the hand of service and the vision of fortitude so gentle and so
soft. You find people who are selfless and so totally dedicated.
Well, all these conditions are unimaginable these days.
People are commercial and business-minded even in a family. But
here is a place where money is the last and the least. As the boy
was telling us this morning, irrespective of caste, irrespective
of community, irrespective of gender, irrespective of financial
considerations, irrespective of status, irrespective of the race,
color, and nationality, immediate concern and immediate attention
to the patient are of foremost importance. Well, that is something
As that young man was telling us this morning, this is what our
students have to know so that they'll be encouraged to associate
themselves with this Divine work tomorrow (in the future). "In
what way can I associate myself with this Divine mission?" This
should be the prime concern of all the students.
We are all students in our own capacity. 'Students' does not
necessarily mean students of Sai colleges. No. A student is the
one who is willing to know. A student is the one who is willing to
do. A student is the one who is willing to understand. A student
is the one who readily jumps into action and is not simply
studying books. As Bhagavan said, "Study to be steady." I don't
think that anybody would say that is a simple sentence!
"Study to be steady." In this world, we find many studies. But
studies are never steady. They study everything, but they are
never steady. They study all things, but do not study themselves.
It is absolutely necessary that one should study his own Self: "Who
am I?" "What am I?" "Where do I go?" "Where do I come from?" So,
study of the Self is the real study. Study of the Self is the
Self-study, and the Self-study in spirituality, in philosophy, is
called 'Inquiry' or Vicharana or Mimamsa. So, "Study to be
steady." That is what Bhagavan has said.
Associate With The Divine Mission
Therefore, my friends, every one of us should look for an
opportunity to associate with the Divine mission in one capacity
or another, anywhere, not necessarily here. Most of us have our
own talents, our own ways of life, our own fields of
specialization, our own vocations, our own professions and our own
ways of employment.
"To earn my livelihood in a simple way, how can I help you? How
can I associate myself with the Divine mission?" This should be
our immediate concern, and not necessarily medically-speaking. If
I wanted to do medical service, well, I'll be doing the greatest
disservice because I am not eligible, I'm not competent and I am
not qualified. Let us find out what each of us can do because it
is a chance that is not given to everybody, every time, and every
day. A chance lost is lost forever and ever.
There are some that say, "Let me do service after my retirement."
Where is the guarantee that you will live till then? You may get
too tired even before then. Some say, "Let me settle my children.
Then I will do Swami's work." You may be unsettled even before.
The secret is this. (I'm telling you this from the business
point-of-view, so pardon me if you don't like it.) Even if I am
selfish and even if I am business-minded, the topmost public
secret I can tell you is that if I do Swami's work, my work is
done by Swami in a much better way than what I could have done it
myself. Please, let us be business-minded, even in spirituality.
Even if you are business-minded, this is the biggest deal, and
you'll have the highest percentage of profit. After all, you may
choose only 60% success for yourself. But leave it to Swami and He
will get you 100%!
That's why this place is so crowded! (Laughter) This place is
crowded, but not because all of them are spiritual aspirants. No.
Please let us be frank. Even on the worldly plane, people are
benefited. Even in business matters, people are prospering. In
political circles, they occupy high positions. Yes, I can tell you
about a number of people and instances.
Success of Swami's Devotees (Cricketeers)
Those of you who have seen the newspapers, as most of you have,
the latest man in the field of cricket is Lakshman, am I right?
What is his latest score? 200? 221? Good! 281? Oh, that's right. I
stand corrected - 281 runs - a record-breaker. Long ago, about 12
or 13 years ago, Gavaskar was the record-holder. Now Lakshman has
broken that record and has established an even higher record.
I'm a crazy man. Please don't misunderstand me. I'll tell you what
had happened. Gavaskar, the man who writes articles in daily
leading newspapers about cricket matches today, wrote an article
about this man. It was the coverage of the test match: Australia
verses India. Am I right? Gavaskar talked about how each person
played and said, "I'm happy that the record I have established is
broken today. Another cricketeer batsman, Lakshman, has excelled
me. I'm happy for another reason too. Both of us are devotees of
Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba." (Applause)
I saw that newspaper article and I had cut it out nicely and kept
it in my pocket. I know how to act well! (Laughter) Swami was
passing by me that morning and that evening. What to do? Shall I
give it to Him? He may not look at me! Should I say, "Please
Swami, please, Swami!" It looks awkward. How to draw His attention?
What I was doing was this. (Anil Kumar makes some gestures of
discretely turning over some papers that are in his hands and the
audience laughs.) If He says, "What is that?" I can give it to Him.
A convenient movement, done like this. (He demonstrates again,
followed by laughter from the audience.) That's what I did.
Swami watched it (my movement) and said, "What are you waving like
a flag?" (Laughter) Ahh! An immediate chance! I had underlined the
article in red ink. Yes, just like a textbook that you underline.
"What is that?"
"Swami! Lakshman had record-breaking cricket runs - a maximum of
281. Gavaskar, his senior, says that both of them are Your
devotees. So I brought it."
"Mmmm. Manchidi (Good). Why all this?"
I said, "It is very important to me." I could see His mood and a
smile, and I knew I could take 1-% liberty. "Point one, it is very
important to me, Swami!"
"Because Your blessings made these two men so great. And
furthermore, both of them are your devotees! After all, our
brothers in the Sai family have to share this happy news."
Then He started telling us, "Did you not see him the other day
when he came?"
"The other day when he came he was nobody, Swami. He is somebody
today. He came at a time when he did not play matches. He was
nobody - just one among many. Today he is somebody because of his
Swami said, "OK, it's all right. But you don't know what I told
"How can I know, Swami? Even outside I'm not able to hear!" (Laughter)
Swami speaks in such a soft voice. (I'll tell you later another
example of how nicely He speaks.)
Then He told us, "Oh! I told that man inside (the interview room)
that he'll get a chance to play. At that time, this man's name was
not there on the list. The man said, 'Swami, I don't think that I'll
get a chance.' I told him, 'You will get a chance. I'll see that
you'll play. You'll be successful.' Then he got his name included
on the list and he played." That's what Bhagavan had said. He went
on to say that they are expected to come here soon.
All right, how shall I conclude that dialogue with Swami? I cannot
play that 'cricket match' for too long a stretch or for too far.
Then I said, "Swami, success is Sai and Sai is success. (Applause)
With Sai, all of us are successful. Success will run after us no
matter whatever field we are in."
My Madness and Bliss
"I beg Your pardon for having brought this newspaper clipping, but
I did this because I have two things - bliss (ananda) and (picchi)
madness, a little madness and a little bliss."
"Is it madness? Why?"
"I'm mad to tell everybody. Yes, I don't want to keep anything to
myself. Let all brothers and sisters of the Sai family all over
the world know what You are talking about here. They should know
all that. I am only an instrument. I'm only a passage to allow the
information to flow forth. Yes, let me be useful that way."
I always tell my friends everywhere and in every congregation, if
given the chance to be born again, I don't want to be a
millionaire or a politician or a minister. No, I want to be born
again only to speak like this to devotees, to Sai devotees. That's
all! I don't want any other thing in life. (Applause)
If there is any option given by Bhagavan Baba, "How would you like
to end your life?" I would like to end my life by talking like
this, on a platform like this, finished! That's it! This is the
'Bon Voyage' to the other planet. Fine! Let me end my life
speaking about Him and let me be born again to speak about Him.
That has been my ambition all through life, ever since I have come
into the Sai-fold in the 1970's.
But the good Lord is the ultimate. I said, "I have these two
things: madness to speak to everybody, and then bliss from being
so happy and blissful, having heard the good news, the
achievements, the accomplishments of my Sai brothers and Sai
"Manchidi. (Good.) It's all right." (Laughter) Then He said, "Have
the bliss with you and remove the madness. (Laughter) Out of the
two, you can have one. The second one, you may have to give up."
Then I said, "One is the virtue and the other is the vice. We
cannot give up the vice so easily. But virtue can be cultivated."
He was so happy. This is a situation I wanted to tell you about.
Swami's Soft Voice
Another point is how softly He speaks. I wanted to tell you this.
He was asking a person, "How is your mother?" That I could hear.
Swami said something else, but even though everything was
happening in front of me, I could not hear the rest of the
Suddenly He looked at me and said, "What did I tell him?" (Laughter)
"How can I know what You told him, Swami? All I heard was, 'How is
your mother?' "
"Ah! Then, what did I say?"
"I could not hear anything else, Swami."
He said, "When you heard one sentence, 'How is your mother?' how
is it possible that you did not hear the other sentences? You must
have heard everything. And now you say, 'I have not heard.' Why?
You must have heard the rest also?"
"No, no, Swami. I am not a fool. I may not be a wise man, but at
least I am sure that I am not a fool! Swami, You allowed me to
hear the first part and You made me deaf not to hear the rest! (Laughter)
Maybe that part is meant for that man only, highly confidential
and totally personal, so You made that man only hear Your words as
You spoke in a very soft way. I could hear the general question, 'How
are you? How is your mother? Ah, fine!' The other things were
confidential. Swami, this is Your technique. What can I say?" (Laughter)
"Hmm, Manchidi, Manchidi." He was happy that I could know (be
aware of) that technique.
So, sometimes we don't hear when Swami speaks and sometimes we
hear Him from a far-off corner. Why? He will help us to hear what
is needed, and He will filter or censor that which we are not
supposed to hear. Nobody else could do this but Swami. Say there
are three people: He talks to one person. That person hears but
the other two don't hear, although they are there literally
sitting side-by-side each other. This is 'Divine Technology'. (Laughter)
We heard of M. Tech, Master of Technology. But this is 'Divine
Technology'. And we have only one expert, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai
Baba. This is not possible for anyone of us to do.
Three Languages Heard at the Same Time
Some time ago, a gentleman by name of Singh wrote a small booklet.
Anybody can read that booklet during a journey. By the time you
reach the next station, you might have completed it. I'm not a
salesman - Please don't mistake me for one! It is a small book,
and because I am a teacher, I read a lot.
Singh writes about the story of a boy from Orissa, our neighboring
state. That boy speaks only his regional language, Oriya. While
sitting in darshan, on one side of him, a man speaks Hindi and on
the other side, there is someone who speaks English. It is all
international, interstate, and intercontinental. Why not? That is
our composition. So, you understand the setting: on one side, a
Hindi man, while on the other side, there is an Englishman. And at
the center, sandwiched in-between, is this Oriya man. Fine!
Swami came and looked at the man in the center, who speaks only
Oriya. He was talking to him in Oriya, but both the other fellows
are replying! The Hindi fellow started replying in Hindi; the
Englishman started replying in English. But the talk was only
between Swami and the Oriya boy! Then Swami left.
Then both of them looked at this Oriya man. "Why were you not
The Oriya man replied, "Why were you answering when He was talking
to me? (Laughter) When Swami was talking to me, you were answering.
He did not talk to you! What language did He speak?"
The Hindi man said, "He spoke in Hindi."
The English man said, "I speak only English. He spoke in English."
The Oriya man cut in, "Please, both of you keep quiet! Enough is
enough. He spoke only in Oriya!"
Everybody please try to understand. This is impossible. At the
same time, three different people heard three different versions
in three different languages! That is 'D. Tech', Divine Technology!
Words Said to One are Meant For Another
Another thing happens. Here is a simple example. I am to leave
tomorrow to go abroad. My ticket, visa, passport and reservations
are all ready. I get the first or second line. Swami is passing by
and I want to get His permission to leave, but instead of asking
me, He asks you. You are here and you will be here till June,
several more months. You have a visa and you can stay here. But He
will ask you, "When are you going?" You are going to be here for
three more months, but He asks you, "When are you going?" I am to
leave tomorrow, but He doesn't ask me!
The question is meant for me, but it is put to you! (Anil Kumar
claps his hands!) It is 'D. Tech', Divine Technology. The question
is meant for you, but it is put to somebody else. "Very good! You
can go and come back!" This fellow whom He spoke to will become
puzzled, "What did He say? I want to be here until June. Why did
He say, 'Go and come back'? How can I go and come back by June?"
"Sit down. It was meant for me. I understand it."
This is another way how Bhagavan talks. You must have experienced
it. You are all enjoying this because we all are in this play of
Another example: supposing you commit a mistake. He comes to me
and says, "You are useless! You are a buffalo! I'll kick you out."
I don't understand. Why all that? I don't know what it is that I
have done wrong. Swami said, "The way you act is not proper.
Everything is bad."
Then the next man will say later to me, "But Sir, such-and-such
has happened in the college. Please pass on that 'mail' (Baba's
remark) to me. It is meant for me." You get the banging, when
actually he should get it!
Bhagavan also does this!
A Slap Cures Facial Paralysis
Sometimes other things happen. A person came and waited here for
ten to twelve days. He was suffering from facial paralysis,
without a cure, for the last eleven years. In those days, Swami
used to drive every day to the Gokulam, and this man was running
after His car daily.
One day that man was totally vexed. "Why all this running? He
doesn't even look at me! He doesn't bother. So what is all this?"
He came very close to the car that day and Swami slapped him! He
felt so badly: "Let alone that I did not get an interview or a
padnamaskar, but instead, what is this thrashing?" He felt so
badly. But as he learned later, he never again suffered from
facial attacks and never had any more pain on that side of his
That is 'D. Tech', Divine Technology. It is not antibiotic
treatment. It is Divine technology, Divine skillful treatment,
Divine therapy, if I can put it that way. Only He alone can do
that. It is impossible to imagine anyone else doing that. I will
tell you another strictly personal case. I never had an occasion
to talk about it earlier as I always come here with a programmed
Swami Cures My Grandson
When my grandson, who now lives in Dallas, Texas, U.S.A., was just
four months old, and I lived in Brindavan right next to Swami's
house, one day I saw Swami suddenly come to the Guest House to see
a sick person. Then my daughter came running with her
four-months-old child. I saw all this, but decided not to go there.
Then later I heard the whole story.
My grandchild was suffering from an eye problem: the water started
spilling out of the eyeballs continuously. The child was brought
to the doctors in Whitefield Hospital. The doctors said, "Don't
worry. We'll give some medicine, and if that fails, we may have to
put a needle in and extract the water."
My grandson started shedding water out of the eyeball, and because
of his complaint, my daughter started shedding her tears. Both of
them were successfully shedding tears (Laughter) - one from the
complaint, and one out of helplessness!
While this was going on, she told me under her tears, "Oh, the
doctors say some needles have to be put into the baby's eyes and
the water has to be extracted. How can I bear it?"
"Well, I cannot help it."
"Why don't you tell Swami?"
"I am sorry, I cannot do that. If I ask for personal things once,
it never ends or finishes! So, don't ask me to. Take your own
(I never ask for anything personal till this day, believe me or
not - nothing. This way, He is free to talk to me because I will
not bother Him. I am free to talk because I don't have anything
personal to ask. Both of us are free. That is good!)
When I returned later, I asked my daughter what happened. "Swami
came close to the child and said, "How is it that water drops are
coming out of the eyes?" She cried nicely. As a mother she cannot
do more than that. Swami said, "Don't worry. The water won't come
out of the eyeballs hereafter. Don't worry." He gave vibhuthi for
the child and added, "The grandfather had the same complaint."
She then confronted me with, "Father, this disease is inherited.
It is your legacy." I said, "Nothing doing! My mother is still
alive. I never had this complaint! No, no, no! You can contact her."
Immediately I rang up my mother. She said, "You never had that
disease. No, you are perfect."
Then I told my daughter, "Your son has two grandfathers, paternal
and maternal. The maternal side is a clean chit. I am not in any
health scam. I don't have any problems. I'm fine." Then my
son-in-law rang up his father. His father said, "Yes, I had this
I then wrote a letter to my daughter, who was studying medicine in
Guntur. She was a gold medallist throughout her career. She was
just then appearing for ophthalmology, the science of the eye. She
was appearing for what is called the 'prize examination'. They
have two kinds of examinations: regular examinations and prize
examinations. She was preparing for that 'prize examination'.
I just wrote her a letter stating, "You see, Swami said no more
water will come out of the eyeball. There'll be no more problems.
He'll be totally cured and very fine. Plus He said, 'It is
inherited. The paternal grandfather had it.' " I wrote her all the
She replied immediately, "Nonsense! (Laughter) I'm appearing for
the ophthalmology prize examination. I have gone through all the
books and the latest journals. I am expecting a medal this time.
Water dropping out of the eyeballs is not at all hereditary.
Bhagavan might have joked about it. Don't take it seriously. When
He said it would stop, well, He might have stopped it when He
materialized the vibhuthi. That might have been the medicine, the
cure. That is a different thing. But this much is certain: it is
not hereditary." I had the letter in my pocket, but not to show it
to Swami, only for my information.
After a week she wrote another letter. She had sent me a cutting
from a journal also. It was about that disease. There a sentence
was added. "It may be hereditary." (Laughter) She then wrote:
"Swami might have inserted that sentence, 'It may be hereditary.'
The original book might not have had it at all." That I also kept
in my pocket.
That evening Swami said, "Come on, you speak." Well, I forgot
about both the letters and I was giving a talk. After He said,
"Take those two letters out of your pocket and explain. What is it
about? Come on, take it out!" Now the cat was out of the bag!
Then I had to pick both out: "Here she says 'impossible', and
there she writes, 'It may be hereditary', and then finally she
says, 'This sentence in the journal published in New York was
added by Baba'."
Swami Cannot be Interpreted
So, my friends, Bhagavan's ways are mysterious, not understandable,
inexplicable, strange and peculiar. Let us not try to interpret.
Interpretation of Bhagavan's message and interpretation of His
miracles is completely wrong. We should never interpret because
explanations and interpretations are the products of the mind.
It is the mind that explains. It is the mind that interprets. But
God is beyond mind. If anyone is trying to interpret, say to him
or her, 'Thank you,' and leave their company. If anyone is trying
to explain, thank him and offer him a cup of coffee. But don't
allow it to get into your head because spirituality is beyond the
mind. It transcends thought. It is beyond time and space.
The Holy Book clearly says achinthya (meaning, incapable of being
imagined by the mind). Divinity cannot be thought over. It cannot
be thought of. It cannot be explained. The tongue cannot explain
it and the head cannot comprehend it. Divinity is beyond
comprehension and beyond description.
When I try to explain, when I try to interpret, the only
explanation is that He cannot be explained. The only
interpretation is that He transcends all interpretation. That is
the interpretation of this morning!
Anil Kumar ended his talk with the bhajan, "Sai Narayana..."
Om Asatoma Sadgamaya
Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu
Om Shanti Shanti Shanti
Sai Ram! Thank you very much!
Jai Bolo Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Babaji Ki Jai!
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